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French: égrégor

English translation: egregor/collective spirit







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French term or phrase:égrégor
English translation:egregor/collective spirit
Entered by:Miranda Joubioux
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Tech/Engineering - Architecture
French term or phrase: égrégor
This is from an interview with an acoustical engineer talking about the building of concert halls and acoustics in general.

Le syndrome MP3! Je m'y refuse, et préfère pour ça la salle en arène. Je la recommande aux architectes, pour la fusion qu'elle facilite, l'égrégor.

I can't find a definition for égrégor, although I think it has something to do with being on one's own.

Can anyone help?
Miranda Joubioux
France
definition
Explanation:
Egregore (also "egregor") is an occult concept representing a "thought form" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme
[...]
The word "egregore" (also "grigori") is a transliteration of the Greek word, ἐγρήγοροι (egrḗgoroi), meaning "watchers".
[...]
Gaetan Delaforge, in Gnosis (magazine) in 1987, defines an egregore as a kind of group mind which is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose."
[...]
Companies, political parties, religions, prayer groups, states, and clubs [and concert audiences, presumably] all can be said to have egregores. A prayer is a positive egregore. When a project "takes on a life of its own," an egregore might be said to be present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

So, if you fear – as I fear you rightly might – that the word "egregor" would be a very great mystery to most readers, you might have to delve into something like "group spirit", "collective spirit", "common interest", "fusion of minds", "collective harmony (of the audience, not the players)", ...


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Bourth
France
Note from asker to answerer
Another difficult one to grade, since all the answers were useful. I must admit Bourth, I don't like the word egregor, which I had never heard of before. I think the majority of readers would not understand it, so collective spirit seems a good alternative. Thanks to everyone.
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4 +2egregor
Francis MARC
4 +2definitionBourth
3egregore
jlrsnyder


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
egregor

Explanation:
même mot (sans accents)

The ORDER of HERMES TRISMEGIST, Emerald Table, magic order, school ...- [ Traduire cette page ]The ceremony goal is to connect the to hermetic egregor and tuning yourselves ... You will feel the circulation of the spirit force as a pure spirit light, ...
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Life Force:Power of spirit,character,temperament,thoughts,entities ...- [ Traduire cette page ]Life Force: The Power of the spirit. Spiritual, initiatic and universal ... 205, "Sexual Force or the Winged Dragon";; 208, "The Egregor of the Dove or the ...
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Anyone here ever... - Shamanism - tribe.net- [ Traduire cette page ]Certainly I've heard of the Golden Dawn view of egregor type spirits which attends to groups, although I'm less familiar with embodied ones. ...
shamanism.tribe.net/thread/43c60b28-c670-422c-b7b4-9d5f76a748f3 - 56k


Francis MARC
Lithuania
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 24

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree DonM: See also: http://www.crcsite.org/egregor.htm
1 min

agree Swatchka
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egregore

Explanation:
Some sort of power of the collective spirit

Example sentence(s):
  • The fact that many are working together for the same end ensures a tremendous focus of power in a given direction. There develops a group "egregore", or group soul/mind, which unites the members in very subtle and potent ways.

    Reference: http://www.jwmt.org/v1n0/getstart.html
jlrsnyder
Canada
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
definition

Explanation:
Egregore (also "egregor") is an occult concept representing a "thought form" or "collective group mind", an autonomous psychic entity made up of, and influencing, the thoughts of a group of people. The symbiotic relationship between an egregore and its group has been compared to the more recent, non-occult concepts of the corporation (as a legal entity) and the meme
[...]
The word "egregore" (also "grigori") is a transliteration of the Greek word, ἐγρήγοροι (egrḗgoroi), meaning "watchers".
[...]
Gaetan Delaforge, in Gnosis (magazine) in 1987, defines an egregore as a kind of group mind which is created when people consciously come together for a common purpose."
[...]
Companies, political parties, religions, prayer groups, states, and clubs [and concert audiences, presumably] all can be said to have egregores. A prayer is a positive egregore. When a project "takes on a life of its own," an egregore might be said to be present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

So, if you fear – as I fear you rightly might – that the word "egregor" would be a very great mystery to most readers, you might have to delve into something like "group spirit", "collective spirit", "common interest", "fusion of minds", "collective harmony (of the audience, not the players)", ...


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Note added at 7 hrs (2007-04-20 21:52:01 GMT)
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Down
4 - On-line Eastern cardinal in spirit of communion [7]

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Note added at 7 hrs (2007-04-20 21:54:35 GMT)
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Can't count: [8]

Bourth
France
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 350
Note from asker to answerer
Another difficult one to grade, since all the answers were useful. I must admit Bourth, I don't like the word egregor, which I had never heard of before. I think the majority of readers would not understand it, so collective spirit seems a good alternative. Thanks to everyone.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Charles Hawtrey: There's already "fusion" a few words before. Is more needed? It's getting a bit far from the physics and engineering of acoustic design of a concert hall. The risk of the EN/US reader misunderstanding the thing is high, I fear.
1 hr
  -> Ah, that's where it came from. I thought it was unusually brilliant of me to come up with sth like that

agree Tony M
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