French to English translations [PRO] Art/Literary - Architecture / project planning
French term or phrase:projet scientifique
Hi,
I have a sentence that involves defining the "projet scientifique, culturel et pédagogique" for a new art museum. No science involved, so "scientific" is clearly wrong. It means something like "research remit", but that sounds too university-based to me. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Explanation: with science, as they say. If the French says scientifique I see no reason - in the absence of fuller text - to question it.
Maybe they do sessions on chemical analysis of paint, biological analysis of canvas, etc. The temperature-humidity meters and earthquake sensors (why? Once the earthquake hits, it's too late; are they there to detect tunnelling beneath priceless works?) you get in art galleries are all part of "science", surely.
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I don't think yours is to reason why ....
I know it need not be a criterion, but many users have been perfectly content with "scientific" ...
And of course it can cover scientific activities that are not visible, and certainly not immediately, in the exhibition space.
It may have culturo-political repercussions:
Not until after World War II, during which a number of European nations suffered from the ILLEGAL REMOVAL OF ART during conflict, was a major international agreement issued for the PROTECTION OF CULTURAL PROPERTY. The 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict was signed by a number of Western nations, including France. The agreement is not retroactive and cannot be applied to cultural property removed from its country of origin prior to World War II. A second committee was formed in Paris in 1978 by 22 UNITED NATIONS EDUCATIONAL, SCIENTIFIC AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATION members with the intention of advising formally colonized nations who sought the return of works taken by colonial states. According to UNESCO, several cases have been resolved but many more remain pending. Coincidently, France is not listed as a member of the Intergovernmental Committee for Promoting the Return of Cultural Property to its Countries of Origin. [ ... ]
True to art world irony, the BBC recently reported that Louvre president Henri Loyrette has announced plans to organize and dispatch a group of curators to the UAE to assure "scientific quality of the project and the respect of ethical rules" http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/1730
He has undertaken the examination, SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTATION, and treatment of the GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM'S modern and contemporary sculpture collection, ... www.guggenheim.org/new-york/.../conservator-bios
The GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM Bilbao in SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS: Asymmetries between the American art perspective and the European regional planning viewpoint....
mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/10751/
Exhibition Detail
Ad Reinhardt
Imageless: The SCIENTIFIC STUDY and Experimental Treatment of an Ad Reinhardt Black Painting
Solomon R. GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM
1071Fifth Ave.
New York, NY 10128-0173 http://www.artslant.com/ny/events/show/19210-imageless-the-s...
1. ]
A decorating dilemma at Guggenheim Museum
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recently stared up at the GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM and contemplated the paint swatches ... of paint and performing SCIENTIFIC ANALYSES on each one, using electron ... www.friends-ues.org/.../a-decorating-dilemma-at-guggenheim-...
Galleria Gottardo in Lugano will be holding the world's first exhibition of the ethnic artworks collected by one of the twentieth century's greatest art patrons: Peggy Guggenheim. The idea behind the exhibition is to display the "exotic objects" that embellished the Palazzo Venier dei Leoni during the collector's lifetime. Since her death, they have been carefully restored and examined by SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHERS. The restoration project was jointly launched by Galleria Gottardo, the PEGGY GUGGENHEIM COLLECTION in Venice and the Museum of Cultures in Lugano with the aim of rediscovering the specific meaning of each object in itself and in the context in which it was purchased. http://www.african-arts.info/peggy_guggenheim_collection.htm
The BRITISH MUSEUM Location : Bloomsbury, London It might be called The British Museum, ... The museum began sponsoring EXCAVATIONS AND OTHER SCIENTIFIC ... www.answers.com/topic/british-museum
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Imagine too that - for instance - for reasons unbeknownst to us, the Abu Dhabi Ministry for Science is helping to fund the museum, alongside the ministries for education and culture. They might like mention of them to be made ....
relates to the work of curators/exhibition organisers and potentially conservators. Scientific does not cover it. There are scientific, technical, but also very importantly academic/research aspects to it and whatever is chosen as a term needs to reflect all of this, in my view.
that 'scientific' doesn't sound quite right, even if it is the literal translation. With the extra information provided I would lean towards academic or research-based.
We're talking about the future Louvre Abu Dhabi. The concept crops up several times: "l'agence France-Muséums est chargée de concevoir le projet du musée, sur le plan scientifique et culturel"; "le projet scientifique et culturel définitif sera remis en 2010"; "Les sommes ainsi recueillies permettront aux musées de financer de projets scientifiques et éducatifs"; "le colloque permettra de présenter le project architectural et scientifique". "Scientific" is too specific: "scientifique" refers here to a more global concept of knowledge/expertise, either arts- or science-based, while "scientific" only covers the latter. I know even arts museums have science involved, but I think "scientific" gives the impression of (wo)men in white lab coats in a way "scientifique" doesn't. Hence my leaning towards "academic/research", although I'm not entirely happy with it.
Thanks for taking the time to look at this.
BTW, I hope I'm replying in the right place: I can never work out where I'm supposed to post on my own posts!
scientifique as in 'academic', hence your suggestion of 'research' which is probably the most fitting when applied to a museum, but without the sentence in question it is hard to assess. This might be about the sort of work conservators do, or it might be the more research-focused work done by curators prior to cataloguing or organising exhibitions.
Perhaps "science" in its older sense, "knowledge"?
09:26 Sep 29
I wonder if "scientifique" mightn't refer to the old sense of the word "science", which is "knowledge" (wherefrom we derive words such as prescient, omniscient). Perhaps the art gallery aims to expand people's knowledge, to inform them, to broaden their minds. I'm not quite sure how to render this properly, however.
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instructive
Explanation: An alternative if you're sure the source term means knowledge in general and not science as we usually understand it.
Emma Paulay France Local time: 11:38 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 12
Explanation: Many institutions use this when referring to work done by academics - ie research. It moves away from the narrowness of scientific. Essentially it means research-based, I guess.
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Are Museums Irrelevant? Museums are rarely acknowledged in the global discussion of climate change, environmental degradation, the inevitability of depleted fossil fuels, and the myriad local issues concerning the well-being of particular communities - suggesting the irrelevance of museums as social institutions. At the same time, there is a growing preoccupation among museums with the marketplace, and museums, unwittingly or not, are embracing the values of relentless consumption that underlie the planetary difficulties of today.
Museums in a Troubled World argues that much more can be expected of museums as publicly supported and knowledge-based institutions. The weight of tradition and a lack of imagination are significant factors in museum inertia and these obstacles are also addressed. Taking an interdisciplinary approach, combining anthropology ethnography, museum studies and management theory, this book goes beyond conventional museum thinking. Robert R. Janes explores the meaning and role of museums as key intellectual and civic resources in a time of profound social and environmental change. http://www.le.ac.uk/bookshop/museumstudies.html
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Here it is used specifically in relation to science, as well:
Science Education: on the agenda of the Library of Alexandria, Hoda S. Elmikaty
It is the mission of the Library of Alexandria to become a centre of excellence, and a model for the dissemination of scientific knowledge. In the knowledge-based world of the twenty-first century, capacity building in science and technology is a must. The article relates the various innovations the Library has undertaken. http://portal.unesco.org/culture/en/ev.php-URL_ID=26966&URL_...
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I must say that I still don't think that 'academic' would be wrong, actually.
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I haven't read much of it - time constraints - but since this is the Louvre we are talking about, it will surely have academic goals, in common with all major international museums.
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Here the Louvre itself speaks of 'scientific and academic', so clearly its own staff does not think that scientific alone will do:
The Mission of a Great Museum
The principle responsibility of the Louvre is to conserve, protect, restore, and develop France's national art treasures, from the early royal collections to the most recent acquisitions. In carrying out this task, the museum’s scientific and academic staff displays steadfast commitment and universally recognized professionalism.
The priceless artworks housed in the Louvre are held for the benefit of present and future generations. Hence the vital importance of the museum's mission to make these works available to the greatest number of people possible, from France and all over the world. To do this, it is our job to ensure that every visitor enjoys the best facilities possible. But it is also essential to promote cultural access: to do as much as we can to help each visitor to approach, understand, and enjoy the works they have come to see. With this in mind, we are committed to extend the range of information available at the Louvre in languages other than French, to further develop the museum's wide range of educational resources and activities, and to make our buildings and collections more easily accessible—in every sense—to people with disabilities and to new audiences.
Explanation: with science, as they say. If the French says scientifique I see no reason - in the absence of fuller text - to question it.
Maybe they do sessions on chemical analysis of paint, biological analysis of canvas, etc. The temperature-humidity meters and earthquake sensors (why? Once the earthquake hits, it's too late; are they there to detect tunnelling beneath priceless works?) you get in art galleries are all part of "science", surely.
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 hr (2009-09-29 11:05:07 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
I don't think yours is to reason why ....
I know it need not be a criterion, but many users have been perfectly content with "scientific" ...
And of course it can cover scientific activities that are not visible, and certainly not immediately, in the exhibition space.
It may have culturo-political repercussions:
Not until after World War II, during which a number of European nations suffered from the ILLEGAL REMOVAL OF ART during conflict, was a major international agreement issued for the PROTECTION OF CULTURAL PROPERTY. The 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict was signed by a number of Western nations, including France. The agreement is not retroactive and cannot be applied to cultural property removed from its country of origin prior to World War II. A second committee was formed in Paris in 1978 by 22 UNITED NATIONS EDUCATIONAL, SCIENTIFIC AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATION members with the intention of advising formally colonized nations who sought the return of works taken by colonial states. According to UNESCO, several cases have been resolved but many more remain pending. Coincidently, France is not listed as a member of the Intergovernmental Committee for Promoting the Return of Cultural Property to its Countries of Origin. [ ... ]
True to art world irony, the BBC recently reported that Louvre president Henri Loyrette has announced plans to organize and dispatch a group of curators to the UAE to assure "scientific quality of the project and the respect of ethical rules" http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/1730
He has undertaken the examination, SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTATION, and treatment of the GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM'S modern and contemporary sculpture collection, ... www.guggenheim.org/new-york/.../conservator-bios
The GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM Bilbao in SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS: Asymmetries between the American art perspective and the European regional planning viewpoint....
mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/10751/
Exhibition Detail
Ad Reinhardt
Imageless: The SCIENTIFIC STUDY and Experimental Treatment of an Ad Reinhardt Black Painting
Solomon R. GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM
1071Fifth Ave.
New York, NY 10128-0173 http://www.artslant.com/ny/events/show/19210-imageless-the-s...
1. ]
A decorating dilemma at Guggenheim Museum
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View
recently stared up at the GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM and contemplated the paint swatches ... of paint and performing SCIENTIFIC ANALYSES on each one, using electron ... www.friends-ues.org/.../a-decorating-dilemma-at-guggenheim-...
Galleria Gottardo in Lugano will be holding the world's first exhibition of the ethnic artworks collected by one of the twentieth century's greatest art patrons: Peggy Guggenheim. The idea behind the exhibition is to display the "exotic objects" that embellished the Palazzo Venier dei Leoni during the collector's lifetime. Since her death, they have been carefully restored and examined by SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHERS. The restoration project was jointly launched by Galleria Gottardo, the PEGGY GUGGENHEIM COLLECTION in Venice and the Museum of Cultures in Lugano with the aim of rediscovering the specific meaning of each object in itself and in the context in which it was purchased. http://www.african-arts.info/peggy_guggenheim_collection.htm
The BRITISH MUSEUM Location : Bloomsbury, London It might be called The British Museum, ... The museum began sponsoring EXCAVATIONS AND OTHER SCIENTIFIC ... www.answers.com/topic/british-museum
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Imagine too that - for instance - for reasons unbeknownst to us, the Abu Dhabi Ministry for Science is helping to fund the museum, alongside the ministries for education and culture. They might like mention of them to be made ....
Bourth France Local time: 11:38 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 436
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Asker: I agree with Helen. I also suspect the first four all repeat the same inadequate translation from the same press release. Sorry, but I still think "scientific" is too narrow in this context.
Asker: Also, a Google search for "scientific and cultural project" throws up a suspiciously large number of translations, mainly from the French. Not a good sign, in general.
