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English translation: design


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French term or phrase:projétation
English translation:design
Entered by: Chris Hall
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20:49 Nov 28, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Architecture
French term or phrase: projétation
La topographie, la typologie et l'histoire lui permettront de constituer son propre regard sur la ville et lui fourniront les premiers outils de projétation.

This is the context. I have searched in the proz gloassary. When you google it, it comes up a lot and it seems to be a a current architecture/town planning word but I have not found it in any of my dictionnaries? Any help?
Sarah Robertson
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:53
design
Explanation:
Source: http://www.eaae.be/eaae/Conferences/arcc_abstracts.htm

EN: On the basis of a wide definition of architecture, scientific research, experimentation and design are defined as specific activities. The ability to foster scientific research work and to avoid the "expatriation" of research to other fields will be critical to the question of identity of faculties of architecture.
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et lui fourniront les premiers outils de projétation.
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and will provide it with the first design tools / resources.

FR: Sur basant sur une définition très générale de l’architecture, la recherche scientifique, l’expérimentation et la projétation sont définies comme activités spécifiques. La capacité de nourrir un travail de recherche scientifique et d’éviter l’expatriation de celle-ci vers d’autres champs disciplinaires sera décisive pour assurer l’identité des facultés d’architecture.




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La topographie, la typologie et l'histoire lui permettront de constituer son propre regard sur la ville et lui fourniront les premiers outils de projétation
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The topography, typology and history will allow it to form its own opinion about the town / city and will provide it with the first design tools / resources.

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Note added at 44 mins (2009-11-28 21:34:06 GMT)
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EN: On the basis of a wide definition of architecture, scientific research, experimentation and **design** are defined as specific activities.

FR: Sur basant sur une définition très générale de l’architecture, la recherche scientifique, l’expérimentation et la **projétation** sont définies comme activités spécifiques.
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Chris Hall
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:53
Grading comment
This is what I went with.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +4design
Chris Hall
5 -1design concept
Wordeffect
4 -3axonometryetienne muylle i wallace
Summary of reference entries provided
hmm
writeaway

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31 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -3
axonometry


Explanation:
This is the graphic representation of a three-dimensional object, having al lines drawn to exact scale, resulting in the optic distortion of diagonals and curves. (Webster amd oters)

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Note added at 35 mins (2009-11-28 21:25:07 GMT)
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all lines
and others

sorry for the typing mistakes

etienne muylle i wallace
Spain
Local time: 03:53
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Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Chris Hall: Where is your evidence that "projétation" corresponds to "axonometry"? I have just researched that "axonométrie" is the standard translation for "axonometry". Being unable to justify your answer and the initial typos made me doubt your answer first of all
9 mins

disagree  xxxmediamatrix: I also disgree here, not because it's necessarily 'wrong', but because it doesn't fit the philosophical nature of the source text.
1 hr

disagree  Alan Douglas: Having studied architecture in pre-computer days much time was spent drawing cut-away anonometric projections of buildings. The result is visually distorted but true to scale. Axonometry has been superseded by 3D computer modelling.
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
design


Explanation:
Source: http://www.eaae.be/eaae/Conferences/arcc_abstracts.htm

EN: On the basis of a wide definition of architecture, scientific research, experimentation and design are defined as specific activities. The ability to foster scientific research work and to avoid the "expatriation" of research to other fields will be critical to the question of identity of faculties of architecture.
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et lui fourniront les premiers outils de projétation.
=
and will provide it with the first design tools / resources.

FR: Sur basant sur une définition très générale de l’architecture, la recherche scientifique, l’expérimentation et la projétation sont définies comme activités spécifiques. La capacité de nourrir un travail de recherche scientifique et d’éviter l’expatriation de celle-ci vers d’autres champs disciplinaires sera décisive pour assurer l’identité des facultés d’architecture.




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Note added at 29 mins (2009-11-28 21:19:23 GMT)
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La topographie, la typologie et l'histoire lui permettront de constituer son propre regard sur la ville et lui fourniront les premiers outils de projétation
=
The topography, typology and history will allow it to form its own opinion about the town / city and will provide it with the first design tools / resources.

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Note added at 44 mins (2009-11-28 21:34:06 GMT)
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EN: On the basis of a wide definition of architecture, scientific research, experimentation and **design** are defined as specific activities.

FR: Sur basant sur une définition très générale de l’architecture, la recherche scientifique, l’expérimentation et la **projétation** sont définies comme activités spécifiques.

Chris Hall
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:53
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
This is what I went with.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  cynthiatesser
33 mins
  -> Many thanks Cynthia. Kind regards, Chris.

agree  xxxmediamatrix: Yes - although I think 'design' is something of an understatement of the real sense of 'projétation'. BTW, what is the source of your note at 44 mins?
1 hr
  -> Many thanks mediamatrix. Kind regards, Chris. (Source: http://www.eaae.be/eaae/Conferences/arcc_abstracts.htm)

agree  Alan Douglas: In this instance "design tools" seems the best fit for "outils de projétation". "Design" is very general and in certain contexts "design development" would indicate the core of the design process - post sketch design, pre detail design stages.
12 hrs
  -> Many thanks Alan. Kind regards, Chris.

agree  Wordeffect: "Design tools" seems best, and I appreciate Alan's addition of "design development" as an idea.
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
design concept


Explanation:
"Projétation" implies vision and proposals for the future (many of which will never get built!). The word "vision" often crops up in ghits for "design concept". Design is OK as far as it goes, but often refers to the "nuts and bolts" stuff once the project is up and running, so maybe too vague and general here.


    Reference: http://bibliotheque.esa-paris.fr/Record.htm?idlist=1&record=...
    Reference: http://authenticart.blogspot.com/2009/04/architectural-team-...
Wordeffect
France
Local time: 04:53
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Chris Hall: You would perhaps be right if it was a stand alone term in isloation. However, the term here is "outils de projétation". "Design concept tools"??? Doesn't sound quite right to me...
6 hrs
  -> Sure, Chris! Just trying to shed a little more light on the word. You're right, design concept tools doesn't work, just "design tools" fits better.
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Reference comments


17 hrs
Reference: hmm

Reference information:
G. La définition des termes

Cette rubrique est particulièrement importante. Toute discipline scientifique produit son propre vocabulaire. Certains mots sont spécialisés, inventés pour le jargon (projétation par exemple chez les architectes dérivé de l’italien pour caractériser l’activité de conception ou de projet), d’autres sont le résultat de glissements sémantiques (« architecte système » chez les informaticiens).
http://www.keris-studio.fr/blog/?p=4

ARCHITETTURA D'INTERNI Rieti Roma Perugia L'Aquila Terni ...
Furnishing, planning and inner restructuring, bathroom furnishing, planning and realization of ... Ameublement, projétation et restructuration d'intérieurs, ...
www.arredamentodinterni.it/

Interior Design Tools - Space Planning - Design Planning Tools ...
Interior design tools for professionals. Now there's no reason to spend hours and hours drawing and re-drawing home furniture plans when The Board Space ...
www.spaceplanning.com/

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