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French: atelier museographique

English translation: museum workroom







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French term or phrase:atelier museographique
English translation:museum workroom
Entered by:Sarah Cuminetti
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French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting / Museums
French term or phrase: atelier museographique
Any idea what this is and its English translation? Probably some kind of storage facility?
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/actualites/communiq/ailla...
Des réserves et des **ateliers muséographiques modernes**
"enfin, la suppression des locaux dangereux qui se trouvent aujourd'hui dans le château : poste de livraisons électriques, chaufferies, réserves, **ateliers muséographiques** (tapissier, photographe)."
Sarah Cuminetti
Italy
Clarification request(s) and response
Vaughn: 11:15pm Mar 26, 2008: You'll notice that "atelier museographique" gets numerous hits. The false hits that Katarina is talking about only show that the 2 words "museography" & "workshop" appear on the same page. But the only hit for them used together is a translated page.
Vaughn: 11:16pm Mar 26, 2008: "workshop of museography" also appears, but only 5 hits, that all refer to the same event.
Katarina Peters: 11:53pm Mar 26, 2008: Vaughn, there is no such thing as a false hit. Museography appears 12,900 times. The fact that there are veru few workshops in this field in English speaking countries is because Europe has a rich cultural history which includes museums and ...(cont.)
Katarina Peters: 12:01am Mar 27, 2008: (cont). ...and museum areas, which is what museography is. I would suggest you do some more research on the subject before giving misleading information. Sarah's text suggests that do they exist...
Katarina Peters: 12:05am Mar 27, 2008: sorry, I meant to say that they DO exist! And how else will you translate it? Do you have a better suggestion than just "museum workshops" which is not exactly what the French text implies?
Vaughn: 12:07am Mar 27, 2008: Katarina The term you suggest is simply not used in English. You seem to be saying that it is not used in English simply because England and the rest of the English speaking world have no "rich cultural history" nor museums. Cont
Vaughn: 12:13am Mar 27, 2008: The term is 2 words. There are simply NO hits for your suggestion, except a very few that are translations. Your suggestion sounds badly in English, and is not logical, given the English use of museography, which is narrower than the French meaning.
Katarina Peters: 12:32am Mar 27, 2008: Here you can find more information: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9ographie
You are twisting my words, I meant no disrespect to English speaking countries. The fact that it exists in France, (p.ex.) doesn't mean you can't translate it. (cont.
Katarina Peters: 12:37am Mar 27, 2008: As Enrique points out, Harrap's dictionary lists it. What sounds bad to me is your "sounds badly"...
Vaughn: 12:46am Mar 27, 2008: Katarina, Harraps certainly does not list "museographic workshop". You are inventing an English term. I have worked in the arts for 40 years in the US & in France. The term is simply not used in English. However the workshops obviously do. cont
Vaughn: 12:49am Mar 27, 2008: I see NO justification for coining a new term which will be confusing and which - yes - sounds bad. "Museography workshop" sounds better. These are "workshops" or "photography workshops" or tapestry workshops" or "museum workshops". cont
Vaughn: 12:50am Mar 27, 2008: "Museography" is a perfectly good word in English, though much less used than in French. But that doesn't mean that "museographic workshop" makes sense or is in usage. It doesn't and it isn't.
Katarina Peters: 1:20am Mar 27, 2008: I rest my case. "Museography Workshop". We could have avoided this entire discussion if you had given it as an answer, instead of disagreeing...that's what I usually do when I don't agree with an answer, unless it's totally off base, which mine wasn't!
Vaughn: 1:28am Mar 27, 2008: I may be obtuse, but no, "museography workshop" is NOT a good answer, it sounds better than "museographic", but it is still coining a term when there is no need for it.
Katarina Peters: 1:33am Mar 27, 2008: Sorry, I'm sticking to it now and I don't wish to discuss it any further.

museum workrooms
Explanation:
As they are associated here with the storage areas, both would be behind the scenes.
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sueaberwoman
France
Note from asker to answerer
Thank you all - in this sense I believe this was the best solution.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3museographic workshop
Katarina Peters
3 +3Museum workshop
David West
4 +1museum workroomssueaberwoman


  


Answers

20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
museum workrooms

Explanation:
As they are associated here with the storage areas, both would be behind the scenes.

Example sentence(s):
  • The addition of stores and workrooms in 1996 brought the museum up to the standard of any of the best small museums…

    Reference: http://www.alderneysociety.org/museum.html
sueaberwoman
France
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
Note from asker to answerer
Thank you all - in this sense I believe this was the best solution.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Vaughn
8 hrs
  -> Thanks, Vaughn! Or workshop...
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Museum workshop

Explanation:
See link


    Reference: http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SC000088.html
David West
United Kingdom
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree translatol: Sounds more usual to me than 'museographic'.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you

agree Vaughn
2 hrs
  -> Thank you

agree sueaberwoman: An alternative; however, it can also designate classes held at the museum.
14 hrs
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
museographic workshop

Explanation:
a workshop for museum activities

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Note added at 10 hrs (2008-03-27 01:23:46 GMT)
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After lengthy discussion (above) with Vaughn, instead of "museographic workshop", I am herewith changing it to "museography workshop". Vaughn is right, it does sound better!

Katarina Peters
Canada
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Enrique Huber: As per Harrap's Shorter Dictionary
46 mins
  -> Thanks, Enrique!

agree Aude Sylvain:
58 mins
  -> Thanks, Aude!

agree Euqinimod
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Euquinimod

agree Ccilb77
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Ccilb

disagree Vaughn: A simple google shows this can not be in use
9 hrs
  -> Lots of hits for museography workshop, which boils down to the same as museographic workshop. Here'se one: http://portal.unesco.org/culture/es/ev.php-
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