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étude documentaire

English translation: observational study


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French term or phrase:étude documentaire
English translation:observational study
Entered by: Sandrine Bibolet
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13:50 Nov 16, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
French term or phrase: étude documentaire
"Oui, petit, je voulais faire de l'étude documentaire. Je voulais dessiner pour les dictionnaires, garder la mémoire des objets que je voyais pour en transcrire une image plus vraie que nature."

I guess it is not "documentary studies", which seems to apply to movies only.
Sandrine Bibolet
Ireland
Local time: 07:11
observational study
Explanation:
This might be one way of saying it.

The Painting, Drawing and Foundations programs work closely together and share many faculty members. Upper level drawing courses build on the training and experiences provided in the Foundations drawing courses (Drawing I and II), as students in Drawing III (Life Drawing) go on to employ rigorous observational study of human anatomical structure and begin developing a more personal approach to descriptive drawing.
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/ART/SOA/nav/undergrad/degree progra...

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ABSTRACT DRAWING After spending the year on in-depth observational study of realistic drawing and painting, students then were able to use this understanding to “break down” the elements to create abstract artwork. Students chose an interior space as a reference point and then created their own abstraction of realistic objects or space.
http://www.slideshare.net/stacielsmith/online-studi-oteachin...

This observational study of a natural form is rather unusual in Rossetti's work. It is thought to have been drawn in a notebook taken to London Zoological Gardens.
http://www.bmagic.org.uk/objects/1904P432

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Note added at 13 mins (2009-11-16 14:04:29 GMT)
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Generally used when an artist 'makes notes' from nature so that he/she can work the impressions up into another work - often used for anatomical details, for instance. Your artist is saying something similar in the quote you give.

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Note added at 38 mins (2009-11-16 14:29:22 GMT)
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I should think the plural might be better in the passage you cite, if, indeed, it is a series of drawings that is meant. You will have a better grip on the context than us, though, obviously.

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Note added at 4 days (2009-11-21 10:05:04 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, bibsa
Selected response from:

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 07:11
Grading comment
Thank you!!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +3documentary work / to document things
hjs45
4 +1to study documentary art(s) (and drawing)
Transitwrite
4 +1observational study
Helen Shiner
3 +1illustrative designEuqinimod
3(I wanted to become a ) documentalist
Amy Cheshire
3documental drawings
Emma Paulay


  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
documental drawings


Explanation:
He wanted to do documental drawings.

Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 08:11
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  David Vaughn: The text doesn't show that - no way of knowing that the two sentences are repetitions of the same idea - the second sentence is more likely a refinement of the first, but even may be totally independent.
7 mins
  -> True, I assumed that the second sentence was a "definition" of the first. If that is the case, then I think this is the correct term, isn't it?
neutral  Helen Shiner: I've never heard of this term being used in relation to drawings - documental evidence, yes. Research-based drawings could work, but they are generally called observational drawings, if indeed it is drawings at all.......
37 mins
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
documentary work / to document things


Explanation:
I think these work. It certainly isn't documentary studies, I don't think... rather the desire to document things artistically, to provide "real" representations.

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it occurs to me.. if this is art, maybe it should be "studies of objects", as in Cézanne's "study of an apple", or simply life drawing.


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hjs45
Local time: 08:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Vaughn: I think this is as close as we can get. "Étude documentaire" is most often literally the research of documents, often in preparation for other research or work. Here the documentary research may come before his/her drawings -part of the global process.
11 mins
agree  Emma Paulay: If it is definitely illustration, then "documentary illustration" perhaps?
1 hr
agree  emiledgar
21 hrs
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25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
(I wanted to become a ) documentalist


Explanation:
an option (although it sounds like she wants to be an illustrator...)

Amy Cheshire
Local time: 08:11
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Indeed, he wants to be an illustrator.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentalist ?? Or do you mean a researcher?
14 mins
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
illustrative design


Explanation:
...

Euqinimod
Local time: 08:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  konungursvia: sounds good
1 min
neutral  Helen Shiner: This might be so, but the FR does not say so. I think this is too specific.
3 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
to study documentary art(s) (and drawing)


Explanation:
Another possibility maybe, if you are not happt with documentary studies.
http://cdautah.org/about/docArts
http://www.documentaryarts.com/


Transitwrite
France
Local time: 08:11
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Verginia Ophof: especially since the rest of the text mentions art work !
15 mins
  -> thanks Verginia
neutral  Emma Paulay: I don't think it's about studying, it's about doing studies, which is not the same thing. To study would be "faire des études".
17 hrs
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
observational study


Explanation:
This might be one way of saying it.

The Painting, Drawing and Foundations programs work closely together and share many faculty members. Upper level drawing courses build on the training and experiences provided in the Foundations drawing courses (Drawing I and II), as students in Drawing III (Life Drawing) go on to employ rigorous observational study of human anatomical structure and begin developing a more personal approach to descriptive drawing.
http://www.depts.ttu.edu/ART/SOA/nav/undergrad/degree progra...

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Note added at 11 mins (2009-11-16 14:02:39 GMT)
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ABSTRACT DRAWING After spending the year on in-depth observational study of realistic drawing and painting, students then were able to use this understanding to “break down” the elements to create abstract artwork. Students chose an interior space as a reference point and then created their own abstraction of realistic objects or space.
http://www.slideshare.net/stacielsmith/online-studi-oteachin...

This observational study of a natural form is rather unusual in Rossetti's work. It is thought to have been drawn in a notebook taken to London Zoological Gardens.
http://www.bmagic.org.uk/objects/1904P432

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Note added at 13 mins (2009-11-16 14:04:29 GMT)
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Generally used when an artist 'makes notes' from nature so that he/she can work the impressions up into another work - often used for anatomical details, for instance. Your artist is saying something similar in the quote you give.

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Note added at 38 mins (2009-11-16 14:29:22 GMT)
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I should think the plural might be better in the passage you cite, if, indeed, it is a series of drawings that is meant. You will have a better grip on the context than us, though, obviously.

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Note added at 4 days (2009-11-21 10:05:04 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, bibsa

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 07:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 181
Grading comment
Thank you!!
Notes to answerer
Asker: Then does "study" or "studies" sound better?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christopher Crockett: Sounds good to me.
9 mins
  -> Thanks, Christopher
neutral  David Vaughn: No way of knowing that the first sentence applies to drawing.
10 mins
  -> It doesn't need to - an observational study could be done in many different media.
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