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artiste plasticienne

English translation: visual artist


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French term or phrase:artiste plasticienne
English translation:visual artist
Entered by: Richard Elliott
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13:59 Nov 3, 2004
French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
French term or phrase: artiste plasticienne
used to describe contemporary artists
rebecca
visual artist
Explanation:
i.e. painter, sculptor etc.

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Note added at 47 mins (2004-11-03 14:46:13 GMT)
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Essentially, \'plastic artist\' and \'visual artist\' mean the same thing but \'visual artist\' is far more widely used in English.
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Richard Elliott
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:48
Grading comment
this is the one I have used.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +2painter and sculptor
suezen
5artistJane Lamb-Ruiz
4 +1visual artist
Richard Elliott
4 +1exponent of the plastic arts
Robin Salmon
5plastic artistIsabel Alves
3visual artist
Monica Sandor


  

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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
plastic artist


Explanation:
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Note added at 8 mins (2004-11-03 14:08:01 GMT)
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Until recently the term plastic artist was limited to continental Europe - in Britain, artists were still referred to by their discipline - fine artist, sculptor, set designer, etc. Now the term is universally accepted to describe artists in general.

Isabel Alves
Portugal
Local time: 10:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Diana Donzelli-Gaudet
11 mins
agree  Nicky Over: I have used ‘plastic artist’ for this in several passages, although EuroDicatom does give ‘employment in the visual arts’ for ‘l'emploi des artistes plasticiens’.
43 mins
disagree  David Vaughn: I can't agree. You'll notice that visual artist gets 60 times as many googles, and that the "plastic artist" googles are almost entirely translated pages. BTW, what's a "fine artist"? Note that "visual artist" is not literal, but refers to a tradition.
45 mins
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: no no no this is LATINATE and just isn't on...really
3 hrs
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
exponent of the plastic arts


Explanation:
Doing a Google search of "plastic artist UK" indicated that the term is not used in UK. Any hits for "plastic artist" are referring to artists from other countries, so that is probably a literal translation from another language. For about ten years now, there have been more people in the world who speak English as a second language than as a first one. That means more literal translations into English being accepted.

Robin Salmon
Australia
Local time: 20:48
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: only with explanation....
2 hrs
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
visual artist


Explanation:
i.e. painter, sculptor etc.

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Note added at 47 mins (2004-11-03 14:46:13 GMT)
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Essentially, \'plastic artist\' and \'visual artist\' mean the same thing but \'visual artist\' is far more widely used in English.

Richard Elliott
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
this is the one I have used.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Vaughn: This is the field I specialize in. Yes, undoubtedly this is the closest in tone. Both refer to "real artists", those who've studied in serious professional art schools, and not Sunday painters. The only justifiable alternative I see is plain "artist".
41 mins
  -> Thanks, I too specialise in this field!
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: C'mon...I read art books and art criticism all the time...plastic is a Latinate import which only works in very restricted settings...
3 hrs
  -> Precisely, that is why I am not advocating it. Read my answer again.
agree  Nathalie Andrews
3 hrs
  -> Thanks!
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
visual artist


Explanation:
It sounds redundant to me, but this is the term used - see for instance the website of one such artist, Dimitri Xenakis, whose English website uses this term while the French version "artiste placticien".
It seems to be both a comprehensive term that can include painters, sculptors and others working in a variety of media, but in more restricted sense sometimes designates those who work with physical objects other than painting - eg ceramic, glass, etc.



    Reference: http://www.dimitri-xenakis.com/
    Reference: http://www.momes.net/education/artsplastiques/artsplastiques...
Monica Sandor
Belgium
Local time: 11:48
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  David Vaughn: Richard has already given this answer, but you're right, a google search with "visual artist" and "plasticienne" gives several bilingual sites where the terms are synonyms. Note that "plasticienne" alone is enough in the art world, "artiste" is redundant.
24 mins
  -> Thanks!
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
painter and sculptor


Explanation:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/welart

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or simply \'artist\'

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perso.wanadoo.fr/cm.mason/

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Note added at 2 hrs 31 mins (2004-11-03 16:30:43 GMT)
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway

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Note added at 2 hrs 31 mins (2004-11-03 16:30:45 GMT)
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After googling on people like Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin, the word artist crops up over and over. I don\'t think we really use another term in the UK anyway

suezen
Local time: 11:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 91

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  RHELLER: sculptor (not painter)
2 hrs
  -> thanks Rita ... actually thinking about it, I think artist is more correct .. see new comments
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: Yes a sculptor and painter do works of fine arts [arts plastiques]!
3 hrs
  -> thanks Jane
neutral  David Vaughn: Some plasticiennes are painters, some are sculptors, some are both, but some are also involved in other domains. "Artist", as I've written elsewhere, is basically accurate.
7 hrs
  -> Yes, I agree Vaughn. That's why I plumped for 'artist' in the end.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
artist


Explanation:
fine arts= les arts plastiques but we don't say FINE ARTIST usually in English.,..just ARTIST

- in English....no PLASTIC AND NO VISUAL....
- the visual arts are not fine arts...visual arts is graphic art and photograph which is PART OF FINE ARTS......visual arts are SUBSUMED under FINE ARTS...sometimes
- HOWEVER...a sculptor can very easily USE PLASTIC..but that does not make her a plastic artist!!



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CAREFUL WITH FINE ARTIST in English..it means the person is a GOOD ARTIST........

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Note added at 3 hrs 14 mins (2004-11-03 17:13:37 GMT)
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FINE ARTS= ARTS PLASTIQUES
painter
sculptor
graphic artist as in illustrator and cartoonist,
engraver
print maker
photographer [often included]
mixed media artist [use of objects and paint and other things]
to name a few...

a potter, for example, is not doing FINE ART....

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Note added at 3 hrs 18 mins (2004-11-03 17:17:34 GMT)
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WHAT IS YOUR CONTEXT? The woman could be an ARTIST AND SCULPTOR or otherwise in English, we would SPECIFY...what she DOES IN FACT

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 89
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