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23:33 Sep 5, 2008
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French to English translations [PRO] Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / Système d\'éducation belge
French term or phrase:Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur
D'après les informations que j'ai recueillies, il s'agit d'un diplôme difficilement reconnu pour entrer dans la vie active, préparé en quatre ans, formation professionnelle apparemment, qui, me semble-t-il, est l'équivalent des trois années de lycée en France.
Pourriez-vous me dire si je me trompe quant à son équivalent français ? Et pourriez-vous s'il vous plait me proposer un équivalent en anglais ? Il sera sûrement nécessaire de faire une note, mais peut-être existe-il déjà une traduction plus ou moins fidèle ?
Merci à vous tous pour vos commentaires, aides et précisions !!
Considering all your suggestions, I was wondering if "Secondary School Diploma" could sum up the whole idea?
Thanks a lot for your patience and help.
J'aurais dû préciser avant que ma traduction est destinée aux Etats-Unis..
Je m'aperçois à force de faire des recherches que peut-être l'équivalent serait le High School Diploma?
"A high school diploma is a diploma awarded for the completion of high school. In the United States and Canada, it is considered the minimum education required for government jobs and higher education."
Et je me demande si pour l'Angleterre, l'équivalent ne serait pas le GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education)..
Tu veux l'équivalent dans le système francais ou la traduction en anglais ?
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8 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +2
Basic Certificate of Secondary Studies
Explanation: There used to be more certificates named like this or similar but more kids stay on longer at school to year 12/13 nowadays.
Robin Salmon Australia Local time: 01:05 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: Good idea, thanks! I was actually thinking of something like "Certificate of Secondary Education", but did not know how to say this "Inférieur". "Basic" sounds good to me! Let's see what the others say :)
25 mins confidence:
Lower secondary school (teaching) certificate
Explanation: le scondaire inférieur sont les 3 premieres années des 6 années du secondaire (ref1) (EN secondary school as seen in ref2)
Explanation: This was given, when 30-40 (and more) years ago students stopped after 3 years of secundary school. Today obviously students normally do the 6 years of secundary.
In the sixties, with that certificate one could become a bank clerk or enter in government services, etc. Today obviously you need a higher "paper"
etienne muylle i wallace Spain Local time: 15:05 Native speaker of: Dutch, French PRO pts in category: 4
Explanation: Well, that does make a difference!
As a certified teacher in France, I'd suggest, if this is indeed a vocational diploma, going for something clearer to Americans along the lines above, possibly specifying the number of years of schooling involved.
Or
...diploma
Something similar appears in the KudoZ entry below:
Explanation: In the States this will be considered as Middlle School [6th, 7th and and 8th grade]. In the past it used to be Junior High School [7th and 8th grades].
The US school system is Elementary [grades 1-5], Middle [grades 6-8] and High School [grades 9-12]/
Usually teachers here have a class or subject they specialize in for grades -12
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I would like to clarify my post. This could also mean High School Diploma.
Sepending on some countries this could have been a Teaching Degree for middle school but after the posters clarification on this it appears to be a High School Diploma
Karine Gentil United States Local time: 10:05 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for helping too!! But indeed I don't think this is about teaching in this case..
Julie, two of ProZ members thought that it was about a teaching certificate. That is why the asker should give the most context possible. I don't think that "Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur" relates to "a High School Diploma" because of the "inférieur" at the end. It could relate to a two-year or three-year course of vocational training; usually those students will not go to College or University; they will join a trade union ... and will sometimes make more money that a Liberal Arts major ...
1045 Canada Local time: 10:05 Native speaker of: French
Notes to answerer
Asker: I don' t think this is about teaching either. But thanks for trying! :)
Reference information: To the best of my knowledge (not having found a direct reference), this would be the equivalent in UNESCO and OECD classification.
The term "inférieur" was apparently used in Belgium, Luxembourg and Switzerland; whether it still is, I have not been able to ascertain as yet. It concerns both general and vocational studies, it seems (see below).
French Equivalent: Premier cycle de l'enseignement secondaire (CITE 2)
Definition:
Lower secondary education (ISCED 2) generally continues the basic programmes of the primary level, although teaching is typically more subject-focused, often employing more specialised teachers who conduct classes in their field of specialisation.
Lower secondary education may either be “terminal” (i.e., preparing students for entry directly into working life) and/or “preparatory” (i.e., preparing students for upper secondary education). This level usually consists of two to six years of schooling (the mode of OECD countries is three years).
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peer agreement (net): +2
