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23:33 Sep 5, 2008
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French to English translations [PRO]
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / Système d\'éducation belge
French term or phrase: Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur
D'après les informations que j'ai recueillies, il s'agit d'un diplôme difficilement reconnu pour entrer dans la vie active, préparé en quatre ans, formation professionnelle apparemment, qui, me semble-t-il, est l'équivalent des trois années de lycée en France.

Pourriez-vous me dire si je me trompe quant à son équivalent français ? Et pourriez-vous s'il vous plait me proposer un équivalent en anglais ? Il sera sûrement nécessaire de faire une note, mais peut-être existe-il déjà une traduction plus ou moins fidèle ?

Merci d'avance !
Julie Verbert
France
Local time: 10:33
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2Basic Certificate of Secondary StudiesRobin Salmon
4 +1Certificate of Lower Secundary Studies *Etienne Muylle Wallace
5Teaching certificate1045
4junior high school completion certificatexxxEuqinimod
4vocational high school training certificatesueaberwoman
4Lower secondary school (teaching) certificate
Sébastien Ricciardi
4Teaching Certificate [Diploma] for Middle School
Karine Gentil
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sueaberwoman

Discussion entries: 6





  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Basic Certificate of Secondary Studies


Explanation:
There used to be more certificates named like this or similar but more kids stay on longer at school to year 12/13 nowadays.

Robin Salmon
Australia
Local time: 18:33
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: Good idea, thanks! I was actually thinking of something like "Certificate of Secondary Education", but did not know how to say this "Inférieur". "Basic" sounds good to me! Let's see what the others say :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sheila Wilson: Perhaps with the addition of "vocational"? What do you think?
6 hrs

agree  sueaberwoman: One possibility, though not necessarily vocational (see reference below), there being more than one type. Seems to be at French "collège" level, if general; probably CAP or BEP level if professional.
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Lower secondary school (teaching) certificate


Explanation:
le scondaire inférieur sont les 3 premieres années des 6 années du secondaire (ref1) (EN secondary school as seen in ref2)


    Reference: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_%C3%A9ducatif_belg...
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Belgium#Secondary_...
Sébastien Ricciardi
France
Local time: 10:33
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Certificate of Lower Secundary Studies *


Explanation:
This was given, when 30-40 (and more) years ago students stopped after 3 years of secundary school. Today obviously students normally do the 6 years of secundary.
In the sixties, with that certificate one could become a bank clerk or enter in government services, etc. Today obviously you need a higher "paper"

Etienne Muylle Wallace
Spain
Local time: 10:33
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  sueaberwoman: (SecOndary, of course) Yes this corresponds to UNESCO/OECD classification, and seems to be at French "collège" level, if general; probably French CAP or BEP level if professional.
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vocational high school training certificate


Explanation:
Well, that does make a difference!
As a certified teacher in France, I'd suggest, if this is indeed a vocational diploma, going for something clearer to Americans along the lines above, possibly specifying the number of years of schooling involved.
Or
...diploma

Something similar appears in the KudoZ entry below:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/education_pedago...

sueaberwoman
Local time: 10:33
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Teaching Certificate [Diploma] for Middle School


Explanation:
In the States this will be considered as Middlle School [6th, 7th and and 8th grade]. In the past it used to be Junior High School [7th and 8th grades].
The US school system is Elementary [grades 1-5], Middle [grades 6-8] and High School [grades 9-12]/
Usually teachers here have a class or subject they specialize in for grades -12

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Note added at 16 hrs (2008-09-06 16:21:44 GMT)
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I would like to clarify my post. This could also mean High School Diploma.
Sepending on some countries this could have been a Teaching Degree for middle school but after the posters clarification on this it appears to be a High School Diploma

Karine Gentil
United States
Local time: 04:33
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for helping too!! But indeed I don't think this is about teaching in this case..


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sheila Wilson: Nothing's been said about teaching - this is just basic education
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junior high school completion certificate


Explanation:
Une autre proposition.

xxxEuqinimod
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Teaching certificate


Explanation:
In my neck of the woods, if you have a Teaching certificate, you can teach at any level ...

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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2008-09-07 03:58:38 GMT)
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Julie, two of ProZ members thought that it was about a teaching certificate. That is why the asker should give the most context possible. I don't think that "Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur" relates to "a High School Diploma" because of the "inférieur" at the end. It could relate to a two-year or three-year course of vocational training; usually those students will not go to College or University; they will join a trade union ... and will sometimes make more money that a Liberal Arts major ...

1045
Canada
Local time: 04:33
Notes to answerer
Asker: I don' t think this is about teaching either. But thanks for trying! :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sheila Wilson: Nothing's been said about teaching - this is just basic education
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Reference comments


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Reference

Reference information:
To the best of my knowledge (not having found a direct reference), this would be the equivalent in UNESCO and OECD classification.

The term "inférieur" was apparently used in Belgium, Luxembourg and Switzerland; whether it still is, I have not been able to ascertain as yet. It concerns both general and vocational studies, it seems (see below).

LOWER SECONDARY EDUCATION (ISCED 2)
Statistics Directorate

French Equivalent: Premier cycle de l'enseignement secondaire (CITE 2)
Definition:
Lower secondary education (ISCED 2) generally continues the basic programmes of the primary level, although teaching is typically more subject-focused, often employing more specialised teachers who conduct classes in their field of specialisation.

Lower secondary education may either be “terminal” (i.e., preparing students for entry directly into working life) and/or “preparatory” (i.e., preparing students for upper secondary education). This level usually consists of two to six years of schooling (the mode of OECD countries is three years).








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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-09-06 08:17:54 GMT)
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http://stats.oecd.org/glossary/detail.asp?ID=5385

sueaberwoman
France
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 32
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Asker: Thanks for this very useful explanation!!

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