Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur

23:33 Sep 5, 2008

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French to English translations [PRO]
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / Système d\'éducation belge

French term or phrase: Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur

D'après les informations que j'ai recueillies, il s'agit d'un diplôme difficilement reconnu pour entrer dans la vie active, préparé en quatre ans, formation professionnelle apparemment, qui, me semble-t-il, est l'équivalent des trois années de lycée en France.

Pourriez-vous me dire si je me trompe quant à son équivalent français ? Et pourriez-vous s'il vous plait me proposer un équivalent en anglais ? Il sera sûrement nécessaire de faire une note, mais peut-être existe-il déjà une traduction plus ou moins fidèle ?

Merci d'avance !

Julie Verbert KudoZ activity Questions: 73 (none open) (10 closed without grading) Answers: 66 France
Local time: 06:13

Summary of answers provided

3 +2

Basic Certificate of Secondary Studies

Robin Salmon (X)

4 +1

Certificate of Lower Secundary Studies *

Etienne Muylle Wallace

Teaching certificate

Jean-Claude Gouin

Lower secondary school (teaching) certificate

Sébastien Ricciardi

vocational high school training certificate

sueaberwoman

Teaching Certificate [Diploma] for Middle School

Karine Gentil

junior high school completion certificate

Euqinimod (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

sueaberwoman

Discussion entries: 6

Answers

8 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

Basic Certificate of Secondary Studies

Explanation:
There used to be more certificates named like this or similar but more kids stay on longer at school to year 12/13 nowadays.

Robin Salmon (X)
Australia
Local time: 14:13
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11

Notes to answerer

Asker: Good idea, thanks! I was actually thinking of something like "Certificate of Secondary Education", but did not know how to say this "Inférieur". "Basic" sounds good to me! Let's see what the others say :)

25 mins confidence:

Lower secondary school (teaching) certificate

Explanation:
le scondaire inférieur sont les 3 premieres années des 6 années du secondaire (ref1) (EN secondary school as seen in ref2)

Reference: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_%C3%A9ducatif_belg...
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Belgium#Secondary_...

Sébastien Ricciardi
France
Local time: 06:13
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 17

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Certificate of Lower Secundary Studies *

Explanation:
This was given, when 30-40 (and more) years ago students stopped after 3 years of secundary school. Today obviously students normally do the 6 years of secundary.
In the sixties, with that certificate one could become a bank clerk or enter in government services, etc. Today obviously you need a higher "paper"

Etienne Muylle Wallace
Spain
Local time: 06:13
Native speaker of:

Dutch,

French
PRO pts in category: 4

15 hrs confidence:

vocational high school training certificate

Explanation:
Well, that does make a difference!
As a certified teacher in France, I'd suggest, if this is indeed a vocational diploma, going for something clearer to Americans along the lines above, possibly specifying the number of years of schooling involved.
Or
...diploma

Something similar appears in the KudoZ entry below:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/education_pedago...

sueaberwoman
Local time: 06:13
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 32

44 mins confidence:

Teaching Certificate [Diploma] for Middle School

Explanation:
In the States this will be considered as Middlle School [6th, 7th and and 8th grade]. In the past it used to be Junior High School [7th and 8th grades].
The US school system is Elementary [grades 1-5], Middle [grades 6-8] and High School [grades 9-12]/
Usually teachers here have a class or subject they specialize in for grades -12

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Note added at 16 hrs (2008-09-06 16:21:44 GMT)
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I would like to clarify my post. This could also mean High School Diploma.
Sepending on some countries this could have been a Teaching Degree for middle school but after the posters clarification on this it appears to be a High School Diploma

Karine Gentil
United States
Local time: 00:13
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for helping too!! But indeed I don't think this is about teaching in this case..

20 hrs confidence:

junior high school completion certificate

Explanation:
Une autre proposition.

Euqinimod (X)
Local time: 06:13
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 27

20 mins confidence:

Teaching certificate

Explanation:
In my neck of the woods, if you have a Teaching certificate, you can teach at any level ...

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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2008-09-07 03:58:38 GMT)
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Julie, two of ProZ members thought that it was about a teaching certificate. That is why the asker should give the most context possible. I don't think that "Certificat d'enseignement secondaire inférieur" relates to "a High School Diploma" because of the "inférieur" at the end. It could relate to a two-year or three-year course of vocational training; usually those students will not go to College or University; they will join a trade union ... and will sometimes make more money that a Liberal Arts major ...

Jean-Claude Gouin
Canada
Local time: 00:13
Native speaker of:

French

Notes to answerer

Asker: I don' t think this is about teaching either. But thanks for trying! :)

Reference comments

8 hrs

Reference

Reference information:
To the best of my knowledge (not having found a direct reference), this would be the equivalent in UNESCO and OECD classification.

The term "inférieur" was apparently used in Belgium, Luxembourg and Switzerland; whether it still is, I have not been able to ascertain as yet. It concerns both general and vocational studies, it seems (see below).

LOWER SECONDARY EDUCATION (ISCED 2)
Statistics Directorate

French Equivalent: Premier cycle de l'enseignement secondaire (CITE 2)
Definition:
Lower secondary education (ISCED 2) generally continues the basic programmes of the primary level, although teaching is typically more subject-focused, often employing more specialised teachers who conduct classes in their field of specialisation.

Lower secondary education may either be “terminal” (i.e., preparing students for entry directly into working life) and/or “preparatory” (i.e., preparing students for upper secondary education). This level usually consists of two to six years of schooling (the mode of OECD countries is three years).

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-09-06 08:17:54 GMT)
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http://stats.oecd.org/glossary/detail.asp?ID=5385

sueaberwoman
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 32

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thanks for this very useful explanation!!

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