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English translation: father's ethnicity


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French term or phrase:coutume du père
English translation:father's ethnicity
Entered by: B D Finch
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14:01 Aug 23, 2011
French to English translations [PRO]
Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs / Birth certificate
French term or phrase: coutume du père
This is on a birth certificate from Togo
Teresa Quinn
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:32
father's ethnicity
Explanation:
"Then he said my daughter’s race should follow the father, so, she was listed as Pakistani.

Hang on a minute, I argued. A Pakistani is someone who is a national of Pakistan. My daughter is a citizen of Malaysia and should be Malaysian. Or, if he insisted on following the father’s ethnicity, she should be a Pathan.

But the clerk, who held the power of determining what ethnic group or nationality my daughter belonged to, insisted there was no category for Pathans in the official list. So, after a while, I gave up arguing. What’s in a name? A rose, by any other name smells just as sweet."
http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/06/19/the-elusive-anak-mal...

"In light of the adverse credibility finding, the Averianovas attempted to present evidence corroborating their Jewish ethnicity and of their past persecution or well-founded fear of future persecution on account of it. The only corroborating evidence the Averianovas offer in regard to their Jewish ethnicity was the Tashkent tribunal decision amending their father's ethnicity from "Russian" to "Jewish" on a birth certificate issued in Chelyabinsk, Russia, which they urge deserves comity."
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=4&xmldoc=200713995...

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Note added at 9 days (2011-09-01 14:33:02 GMT) Post-grading
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A bit of local information:

"These forces coordinated with partisans in the ruling, northern-based party, Rally of the Togolese People (RPT), the report says, excoriating the impunity with which the RPT conducted its strategy of using ethnic and clan relationships to orchestrate repression in a country of more than three dozen ethnic groups. ...
... The dynamic of the ethnic and xenophobic polarization in Togolese society, leading to durable ethnic and clan management of power, has engendered a tendency to read ethnicity into political cleavages, the report says."
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=15994&Cr=togo&C...

"There are between 20 and 40 different ethnic groups in Togo, depending on differing classifications. No group has a numerical majority. A northern group, the Kabyé, has dominanted the country's politics, and is the second largest group in Togo (after the Éwé), with some 12 per cent of the population. Northern Togo, where Kabyé are concentrated, is more ethnically diverse that the south. Other northern groups include the Moba, Kotokoli, Bassari, Hausa and Konkomba. One of Togo's most homogeneous ethnic groups, Moba inhabit rich agricultural lands in north Dapaong area and speak a dialect influenced by the More language of the Mossi of Burkina Faso. Konkomba are related to Moba and live in northern Togo and Ghana in the Oti River basin, a tributary of the Volta, north of Basseri. They live in clans organized into patrilineages and age sets, with no central structure."
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,MRGI,,TGO,4954ce5cc,...

I think that the clan would be less likely to be listed on a birth certificate.
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 09:32
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1vocation of father
Marie-Helene Dubois
3 +1father's clanphilgoddard
3father's ethnicity
B D Finch


Discussion entries: 9





  

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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
vocation of father


Explanation:
It is a strange way of putting it as it would literally translate as "father's custom" but I am pretty sure that they mean his customary vocation.
I can't see how it could mean anything else..

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Note added at 39 mins (2011-08-23 14:41:03 GMT)
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Now that I've seen the extra context, I'm pretty sure it's this:
Certificat de Coutume: Il s’agit de l’attestation d’un juriste étranger relative à l’existence, au contenu et à l’interprétation d’une loi étrangère. Lorsque, à l’occasion d’un litige, il y a lieu de faire application d’une loi étrangère d’après la règle des conflits, le plaideur qui entend s’en prévaloir produit au juge français un certificat de coutume.

It is under the international adoption section on the French immigration website and you can find references on wikipedia to this.

In English I would translate this as a ***The affidavit of law and customs***

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The Affidavit of Law and Customs is a statement about U.S. marriage laws, certifying that the American citizen is free to contract marriage in France and ...

Marie-Helene Dubois
Local time: 09:32
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: Most likely explanation but your CL is much too high!
19 mins
  -> thanks! I can see now that I was hasty in being so sure :)

neutral  philgoddard: This is an odd choice of word - it usually means a calling, like a priest or a doctor, rather than simply an occupation. Anyway, from the additional context, it appears to be incorrect.
19 mins
  -> Yes i've modified having read the asker's addition. If it is followed by "profession" it can't be..
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
father's clan


Explanation:
See the discussion entries.
I don't think it's tribe, because neither Agbobli-Kossiwa nor Watsi (the "coutumes" cited in Teresa's birth certificate and the one I found) come up on Google as the names of tribes. I think it's the next step down, a large family group or clan.
This is also one possible translation of Abstammung, the chosen answer when this question came up in French to German.

philgoddard
Local time: 02:32
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ingeborg Gowans: having read your discussion entries and following your reasoning, I think this would come closest to the intended meaning, Scottish or not, laddie:)
7 hrs
  -> Thanks. It's not specifically Scottish - it's a widely used term in anthropology. It means a family group - it's nothing to do with ethnicity.
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
father's ethnicity


Explanation:
"Then he said my daughter’s race should follow the father, so, she was listed as Pakistani.

Hang on a minute, I argued. A Pakistani is someone who is a national of Pakistan. My daughter is a citizen of Malaysia and should be Malaysian. Or, if he insisted on following the father’s ethnicity, she should be a Pathan.

But the clerk, who held the power of determining what ethnic group or nationality my daughter belonged to, insisted there was no category for Pathans in the official list. So, after a while, I gave up arguing. What’s in a name? A rose, by any other name smells just as sweet."
http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/06/19/the-elusive-anak-mal...

"In light of the adverse credibility finding, the Averianovas attempted to present evidence corroborating their Jewish ethnicity and of their past persecution or well-founded fear of future persecution on account of it. The only corroborating evidence the Averianovas offer in regard to their Jewish ethnicity was the Tashkent tribunal decision amending their father's ethnicity from "Russian" to "Jewish" on a birth certificate issued in Chelyabinsk, Russia, which they urge deserves comity."
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=4&xmldoc=200713995...

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Note added at 9 days (2011-09-01 14:33:02 GMT) Post-grading
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A bit of local information:

"These forces coordinated with partisans in the ruling, northern-based party, Rally of the Togolese People (RPT), the report says, excoriating the impunity with which the RPT conducted its strategy of using ethnic and clan relationships to orchestrate repression in a country of more than three dozen ethnic groups. ...
... The dynamic of the ethnic and xenophobic polarization in Togolese society, leading to durable ethnic and clan management of power, has engendered a tendency to read ethnicity into political cleavages, the report says."
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=15994&Cr=togo&C...

"There are between 20 and 40 different ethnic groups in Togo, depending on differing classifications. No group has a numerical majority. A northern group, the Kabyé, has dominanted the country's politics, and is the second largest group in Togo (after the Éwé), with some 12 per cent of the population. Northern Togo, where Kabyé are concentrated, is more ethnically diverse that the south. Other northern groups include the Moba, Kotokoli, Bassari, Hausa and Konkomba. One of Togo's most homogeneous ethnic groups, Moba inhabit rich agricultural lands in north Dapaong area and speak a dialect influenced by the More language of the Mossi of Burkina Faso. Konkomba are related to Moba and live in northern Togo and Ghana in the Oti River basin, a tributary of the Volta, north of Basseri. They live in clans organized into patrilineages and age sets, with no central structure."
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,MRGI,,TGO,4954ce5cc,...

I think that the clan would be less likely to be listed on a birth certificate.


B D Finch
France
Local time: 09:32
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 66
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: I don't think it's anything to do with ethnicity - it's their extended family.
8 days
  -> I think ethnic group is more likely to appear on a birth certificate.
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Changes made by editors
Sep 1, 2011 - Changes made by B D Finch:
Edited KOG entryB D Finch's old entry - "coutume du père" => "father's ethnicity"
Sep 1, 2011 - Changes made by B D Finch:
Created KOG entryKudoZ term => KOG term


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