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08:20 Sep 19, 2007
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French to English translations [PRO]
Cooking / Culinary / beans
French term or phrase: dolique
"Dolique" (Vigna spp or Dolichos lablab) is a heading in the "legumes" section of a food encyclopedia: it covers the "dolique à oeil noir" (black-eyed pea or bean), the "dolique asperge" (asparagus or yardlong bean), and the "dolique d’Égypte" (hyacinth bean).

From what I can gather, "cowpea" is a more generic term that includes both black-eyed peas and yardlong beans (ie the Vigna spp), but it doesn't include the hyacinth bean (ie the Dolichos lablab).

I'm guessing there just isn't one word in English that we use to refer to all of these - ie they're not a 'group' for English eaters - and that I will need to explain the problem to the client. BUT if someone knows of an English term (US English preferably) that refers to these three "doliques" (apart from just bean/pea), great...

Otherwise, if anyone can confirm my hunch that this is a non-English group, that would also be useful.

Thank you.

MM
Melissa McMahon
Australia
Local time: 18:58
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Summary of answers provided
4Legume - Phaseolus - Pulses
N.M. Eklund
2pulses
Sheila Wilson


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41 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Legume - Phaseolus - Pulses


Explanation:
Hi Melissa,
I think that the only real translation for dolique is Peas and Beans for the header. At least that's how they're known in the US. For any other term, you would have ot be a botanist to know what it is.
Anyway I found a few possibilities for you:
1) Legume. Kind of a false translation, because in English it comes from the French word légumineuse.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume">http://en.wikip...
1) The latin Phaseolus aptly combines all the varieties.
<a href="http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/PHASEOLUS">http://ww...
2) "Pulse" is less of an option for you since it seems to be a UK word (which I've never heard of before)
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/back_to_basics/pulses.shtml"&...

Or you can go for the more general latin 'Vigna'.
Basically

Example sentence(s):
  • Legumes are a good source of iron and fiber
  • Peas, beans and lentils are collectively known as pulses.

    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume
    Reference: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/back_to_basics/pulses.shtml
N.M. Eklund
France
Local time: 10:58
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: The section is "legumes" which, yes, is the pea/bean/pulse group, but the headings within the section are quite specific, eg. "adzuki bean", "mung bean", "soybean" are all headings within legumes... and then "dolique", so you can see that translating it as anything as general as "bean" wont work... This is confirming my hunch though that there just isn't a term for this in English, so it's still helpful!

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32 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
pulses


Explanation:
I know pulses covers these pea/bean veg, but I have given a low confidence level to this as it's a general word that covers ALL peas and beans and you seem to be looking for something very specific.

the edible seeds of certain leguminous plants, as peas or beans.
www.doctorswithoutborders.org/education/bol/Glossary.htm
(the link doesn't work!)

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-09-19 09:23:08 GMT)
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I can only suggest that you retain the French eg 'the "dolique" (family of) peas and beans'

Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 09:58
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 56
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Sheila, but yes, this is quite specific - ie a word that just means those 3 beans!

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