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English translation: all of which is supposed to be dissipated in the end applications

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French term or phrase:	autant d’énergie qui se doit d’être dissipée dans les applications finales
English translation:	all of which is supposed to be dissipated in the end applications
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01:38 Aug 11, 2008

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French term or phrase: autant d’énergie qui se doit d’être dissipée dans les applications finales

Les activités actuelles de R-D à Albany Nanotech ont comme résultante une augmentation phénoménale de la densité et la fréquence de courant. Ces deux composantes ont pour effet une élévation de température qui est néfaste pour la performance électrique ainsi que pour la fiabilité du produit. La croissance de la charge thermique est évaluée à plus de 15% annuellement, autant d’énergie qui se doit d’être dissipée dans les applications finales.

KathyG KudoZ activity Questions: 689 (12 open) (22 without valid answers) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 0 Canada
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all of which is supposed to be dissipated in the end applications

Explanation:
Hello,

A second proposal.

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MatthewLaSon
Local time: 03:47

Grading comment

Excellent as aways
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Summary of answers provided

3 +4

which is the amount of power that has to be dissipated in the final/end applications

Tony M

3 +1

and all this energy has to be dissipated in the final/end applications

David Sirett

all of which is supposed to be dissipated in the end applications

MatthewLaSon

2 +1

, which is the same amount of energy to be used up in the end applications

MatthewLaSon

4 -1

as much as the energy that must have been dissipated in the object applications

RealBlunt

Discussion entries: 1

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10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

as much as the energy that must have been dissipated in the object applications

Explanation:
autant d’énergie - as much as the energy
qui se doit d’être dissipée - that must have been dissipated

RealBlunt
Portugal
Local time: 08:47
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Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 2

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

, which is the same amount of energy to be used up in the end applications

Explanation:
Hello,

I'm not sure about "applications finales."

end applications? I've seen it used in this kind of context.

autant de = as much as

qui se doit d'être dissipé = which is (supposed) to be used up

I hope it helps a little.

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Note added at 15 hrs (2008-08-11 17:06:33 GMT)
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Last night, I should have said "autant de" = all of what was previously mentioned

Here, one can say "same amount", which means "all of what was previously mentioned."

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 03:47
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English
PRO pts in category: 17

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Tony M: But Matt, this isn't 'autant que...' (= the same as), but 'autant de...', which is subtly different. And I do rather feel that 'dissipated' is more technically appropriate than 'used up'

1 hr

-> Thanks! I know what "autant de" means in technical writing. autant de = all (of what was previously mentioned). I shoudn't have written "autant de = as much as" generally speaking. But "same amount" works in this particular case. "Dissipated" is better.

agree

kashew: Agreed, "used up" is not good technical writing. Cannot help with the "autant": Qu'emporte le vent!

3 hrs

-> Thanks, kashew! Ok "used up" is not best. I was concentrating on "autant de" here, which does indeed mean "the same amount." I get Tony's point, but "autant de" can be simply translated by "the same amount as". Literally, "autant de = all" here.

neutral

Terry Richards: Energy is never used up, it is just moved around. Which is a continual pain for those who must design cooling systems! Whatever energy goes in has to come out either as useful work or waste heat.

11 hrs

-> Ok..."dissipated" is more correct (I'm no electrical engineer). I don't know why I just didn't say it in the first place. LOL.

15 hrs confidence:

all of which is supposed to be dissipated in the end applications

Explanation:
Hello,

A second proposal.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 03:47
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 17

Grading comment

Excellent as aways

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

which is the amount of power that has to be dissipated in the final/end applications

Explanation:
Personally, I find this phrase slightly ambiguous, but this is what I believe it is intended to mean — and which makes sense to me from a technical stand point.

Although my answer only differs a tiny bit from Matt's, I think those differences are significant, inasmuch as they somewhat change the overall meaning.

This construction using autant de... is pretty common, and oiften gives me a headache when translating into EN! In this particular sentence, it would almost certainly be best to re-word in oredr to get further away from the structure of the source text.

Note that EN very often uses 'power' where FR uses 'energy', and that in electronics we very often speak of 'power dissipation' considerations.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2008-08-11 06:58:16 GMT)
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I don't think I emphasized enough that my headword suggestion isn't really an ideal 'drop-in' translation in you context as given; it would still sound clunky.

Another way of rendering it would be even more literal, and unsuitable for the context, but might help you to arrive at a better re-formulation:

so much power to be dissipated...

I think you might do better to use something like:

..., which all represents power that will have to be dissipated...

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Note added at 16 hrs (2008-08-11 18:11:04 GMT)
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probably slickest and most natural of all would be something like:

"...at more than 15% a year — all of which is power that has / will have to be dissipated in the..."

I think there is a case to be amde for using the future in EN, though it does depend a bit on the wider context.

Tony M
France
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Cervin: would it be acceptable to say 'final application' - no 's'? it just sounds better to me

14 mins

-> Thanks, Cervin! It probably wouldn't make a great deal of difference, tho' I suspect the general idea is '...whatever those may be'

agree

kashew: And lop off "which is"? The comma suffices for me.

1 hr

-> Thanks, J! Yes, tho' I think the whole headword phrase as I've suggested it isn't brilliant and needs massaging

agree

narasimha CSN MURTHY

1 hr

-> Thanks, Narasimha!

agree

Sébastien Ricciardi

3 hrs

-> Merci, Sébastien !

agree

Terry Richards: I would stick with energy in a thermal context but I don't feel that strongly about it. I prefer your final version (which all represents...) but still have a slight preference for energy rather than power. In physics P = E / T but in elec. P = V x I only

9 hrs

-> Thanks for your comments, Terry! I was thinking of things like 'power dissipation' for transistors, heatsinks, etc.

neutral

MatthewLaSon: No, "devoir" doesn't always mean "to have to". I think that "supposed to" is better than "has to." Isn't this how something is supposed to function? se doit = is supposed to (similar "to have to") LOL

10 hrs

-> devoir = must, have to, be required to, etc. 'se devoir' here is like the passive voice of it.

disagree

RealBlunt: INCORRECT TRANSLATION: AUTANT d’énergie - AS MUCH AS the energy

10 hrs

-> I believe you are mistaken, as it is "autant d'énergie" and not "...de l'énergie" / Ye's, that's obvious; but since there is no 'the', you can't use 'as much as'; in EN, we'd say 'as much energy as...', but that doesn't really fit here

1 day15 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

and all this energy has to be dissipated in the final/end applications

Explanation:
Again just a tweak of answers given by Matthew and Tony, trying to get to what we'd say in English if the French wasn't in front of us. All the more so in that IMO "se devoir de" is misused here, in what seems to be a poorly-written text ("augmentation ... de la fréquence de courant" ?), and doesn't add anything that "devoir" couldn't provide.
Unless the author is trying to express something like "all this energy has to find some way of dissipating (itself) in the end applications", which again seems unecessary.

David Sirett
Local time: 09:47
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English
PRO pts in category: 56

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