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débit nominal installé

English translation: rated / nominal output


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French term or phrase:débit nominal installé
English translation:rated / nominal output
Entered by: Mark Nathan
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21:30 Jan 17, 2007
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Tech/Engineering - Energy / Power Generation / outdoor stove
French term or phrase: débit nominal installé
L’air nécessaire pour la combustion est de 2 m3/h par kW de débit nominal installé.

From the instructions for an outdoor stove that runs off butane. "Minimum air supply for combustion is 2 m3/h per kW at nominal flow"? (i.e. the "normal use" flow that it was designed for).
Mark Nathan
Local time: 17:27
rated / nominal output
Explanation:
The "débit" must clearly be referring to the GAS flow (= consumption), but as they refer to it in kW, I think "output" would be the clearest way to express this in EN.

Personally, I'd favour the use of "rated", or at worst "nominal rated..."; I don't see that the "installé" has any translation value, especially since this appears to be a (presumably portable?) outdoor appliance, so surely hardly really capable of being "installed"?


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Tony M
France
Local time: 17:27
Grading comment
Thanks everyone and to Bourth for the clarification
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +1I know I'm always saying this,xxxBourth
3 +1rated / nominal output
Tony M
5 -1nominal rated power / nominal electrical power
Giovanni Diamante
3per kW of installed (nominal) capacity (power)
Deborah Workman
1nominal airflow required for combustionblavatsky
2 -1nominal factory setting airflowAlain Pommet


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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): -1
nominal factory setting airflow


Explanation:
'nominal factory setting' get quite a few hits but the airflow bit doesn't - sorry!

Alain Pommet
Local time: 17:27
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 42

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Inasmuch as I don't believe the "débit" is referring to the AIR flow, but rather, to the GAS.
8 mins
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
nominal rated power / nominal electrical power


Explanation:
It is refer to electrical power, if it were refer to the air flow, it would have been "nominal rated air flow" or simply "nominal air flow".

Giovanni Diamante
Local time: 11:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, but I should have made it clearer that this is a butane stove. There is no electricity involved.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Since this is clearly a GAS stove, it has nothing to do with electricity!
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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
rated / nominal output


Explanation:
The "débit" must clearly be referring to the GAS flow (= consumption), but as they refer to it in kW, I think "output" would be the clearest way to express this in EN.

Personally, I'd favour the use of "rated", or at worst "nominal rated..."; I don't see that the "installé" has any translation value, especially since this appears to be a (presumably portable?) outdoor appliance, so surely hardly really capable of being "installed"?




Tony M
France
Local time: 17:27
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 204
Grading comment
Thanks everyone and to Bourth for the clarification

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agree  xxxBourth: Got in while I was still thinking about it and typing!
19 mins
  -> Thanks, Alex!
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
I know I'm always saying this,


Explanation:
but turn it round, maybe?

As written in French, it almost looks as if "débit nominal installé" refers to "kW", which makes no sense.

Logically, I think it should therefore read "L’air nécessaire pour la combustion est de 2 m3 de débit nominal installé/h par kW", which gets confusing at the end [I am constantly confronted with a similar structure, with plants producing "X m3/h de produit". Read it: "so many cubic metres per hour of product"? "So many cubic metres of product per hour"].

Also, you have introduced "minimum", which makes sense to start with, but less when you introduce "débit nominal".

So how about:

"The nominal [or "rated"] supply-air flow for combustion is 2 m3/h per kW".

I don't think there's any need to have both "nominal" and "installé". In fact, I don't see how it CAN be both unless they are the same thing.

However, having got to the end of my train of thought, I am now wondering if your "débit" is shorthand for "débit calorifique", or "heat output/rating". This would mean that "débit" could be measured in kilowatts.

heat output rating

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Note added at 47 mins (2007-01-17 22:18:22 GMT)
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Ooops, delete "heat output rating" at the end (note to myself).

Re. "installé": that would in fact corroborate the notion that your "débit" is an output, not an inflow. The "puissance installée" (installed capacity) of a hydro generator is the power the scheme is designed to produce, just as the "débit nominal" is the rated discharge of the turbines producing the motive force to generate that power.

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Note added at 52 mins (2007-01-17 22:23:02 GMT)
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Yes, Mark, but here we are talking about the air consumption per kW of those 3.8 kW, so at max. output you need (up to) 3.8 * 2 = 7.6 cubic metres of air per hour. Otherwise, when you turn the gas up, there will be too much gas and not enough air and the flame will go out. Like flooding your engine.

xxxBourth
Local time: 17:27
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 468

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Well, itt took you long enough, but I knew you'd get round to my way of thinking in the end! ;-)
58 mins
  -> I do NOT and never shall think in my end, thank you!
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
par KW de débit nominal installé
per kW of installed (nominal) capacity (power)


Explanation:
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"Débit" is sometimes understood as "throughput" in which case "capacity" might be appropriate here.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2007-01-18 02:23:21 GMT)
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My goodness, I don't know how "example sentences" appeared there! Anyway. It seems that "nominal" and "installed" and "capacity" and "power" may be interchangeable.

Example sentence(s):
  • Seems that "nominal" and "installed" may be redundant of each other in this context.
Deborah Workman
United States
Local time: 11:27
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
nominal airflow required for combustion


Explanation:
I may be wrong but is this just a phrase or term for what has been iterated beforehand???

blavatsky
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