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01:40 Nov 5, 2009

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Science - Fisheries

French term or phrase: naitainces

"J’ai disséqué un mâle dont les ***naitances*** n’étaient pas très-grosses; elles formaient deux cordons amincis aux deux extrémités…"

From a 19th century Cuvier paper on the lampris. The only word I could find is "soft roe", but I don't think this is what he is referring to here. Any help would be appreciated...

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Summary of answers provided

naitances- growth, origination, birth

rir

Discussion entries: 13

Daniel Weston

United States

ASKER

Thanks everyone...

23:57 Nov 5

Thank you everyone for your kind help.

rir	thanks for clarifying! 23:49 Nov 5 a typo that took a lot of our good time and work...searching for the wrong thing! Although MILT is also refered to: The reproductive glands of male fishes when filled with this fluid (milt)

IanDhu

France

A typo for "laitance"

18:41 Nov 5

I agree with the Asker that it must refer to the milt, especially since they are referred-to in the plural, and are therefore bilaterally symmetrical.

Bourth

Quite possibly an (early) 18th C misspelling

09:17 Nov 5

Just think how nation is pronounced in French, and how "ghoti" spells "fish" in English.

Daniel Weston

United States

ASKER

Milt

06:56 Nov 5

I found it in a little used dictionary in my own library. Milt is the semen of a male fish. Laitance

Travelin Ann

Daniel

03:37 Nov 5

You might try contacting someone through:
http://www.langlab.wayne.edu/CStivale/19thC/index.html

A forum for 19th century French studies

Daniel Weston

United States

ASKER

Not as bad as your example

03:27 Nov 5

Thanks Ann - but the text I have is not as poor as your example. It is quite clear that the word is intended. I wonder if it had a very different meaning in 1834. I'll keep looking!

Travelin Ann

And here's another OCR'd book

03:15 Nov 5

with naitance and many other scanned discrepancies.
http://www.archive.org/stream/novaactaacademia04impe/novaact...

Travelin Ann

My search was on "naitances"

03:05 Nov 5

not on naitainces, so maybe you're not back at Square 1.

Daniel Weston

United States

ASKER

naitances

02:48 Nov 5

I spelled it incorrectly in the heading - it is in the French text as "naitances", not "naitainces" - so I'm back to square 1...

Travelin Ann

Good luck!

02:35 Nov 5

And let us know what you find, if you can. It is always nice to "close the loop" and learn in the process.

Daniel Weston

United States

ASKER

Very possible

02:28 Nov 5

It does look like a scanned PDF - thanks, I think I can find the original this way....

Travelin Ann

Daniel

02:19 Nov 5

Any chance your document has been OCR scanned? I found "naitances" in an online search, and found a number of OCR-created "errors" in the same document. Link: http://www.archive.org/stream/mansfieldpark01austgoog/mansfi...
Just a thought.

Answers

2 hrs confidence:

naitances- growth, origination, birth

Explanation:
I saw naitances is the same as naissance

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/naissance

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-11-05 03:49:50 GMT)
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http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/student-theses/2006-0324...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-11-05 04:18:08 GMT)
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that's what i think it is, the eggs, the births, its probably an hermafrodite fish....
Hermaphroditic animals have both male and female reproductive systems. Hermaphroditism provides a means for animals to reproduce sexually without finding mates.

rir
United States
Local time: 07:31
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Portuguese

Notes to answerer

Asker: The author has dissceted a male fish and is describing something to do with the reproductive channels, I'm just looking for the exact term if there is one for what he's actually describing, or looking at

Asker: The scientist I am working with is emphatic that it this particular fish is not hermaphroditic which is why we are puzzled at the terminology!

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