17:18 Jan 16 

Not certain if I dare give you the client's reply, but I will and then go-away from the computer.
Oui, mais je l’ai envoyé au collègue allemand tout à l’heure qui m’a répondu qu’il ne m’avait jamais posé cette question.

Maintenant, ni l’espagnole, ni l’allemand me la poseront.



Voici la réponse du client :

Vous pouvez assimiler « minerai » à « produit alimentaire ».

01:00 Jan 14 

frozen chunks – or hunks – of meat?

00:43 Jan 14 

Raw ingredients would only make sense if they are going on to be cooked and made up into a recipe. Also, 'raw ingredients' does not describe the nature of the cut which is precisely what the term 'minerai' aims to do.

Whether it's beef, chicken or pork, it is beyond the 'découpe primaire' and falls within the 'découpe secondaire' category. The flesh has been trimeed, the carcass removed. The official deifnitions are quite clear. If you fail to convey that idea, then the rendering will be falling short of the classic definition used in industry. Although it may not be crucial to your translation, the original has opted for a specific term which has specific meaning in context. 'Raw ingredients' does nothing to convey the type of cut, which is what 'minerai' is all about!

19:55 Jan 13 

I'm now back with this job and see that much discussion has been going on. Raw meat sounds fine but we then have 'produits cru' so perhaps raw ingredients would be a better option as they are not just treating meat.
Réaliser un produit IQF, même à partir d’un minerai à pouvoir agglomérant moyen, comme des produits crus,
Pouvoir réaliser un cryo-enrobage après la surgélation IQF,
Cumuler tous vos procédés dans un seul équipement, depuis la décongélation de vos minerais, leur formulation en prise directe, leur cuisson, leur refroidissement et leur cryo-surgélation et/ou enrobage.

14:40 Jan 13 

I don't know, but I had already enquired about this and another name was mentioned........Maybe best to continue this discussion in the forums. I don't think the matter should rest here.

11:33 Jan 13 

I believe the moderator who dealt with that was Yana Dovgopol; though that might be a mistake as her working languages include Spanish, Hungarian, Russian, Acoli, German and Bengali among others (clearly a remarkable linguist), so she would surely not have deprived the French to English community of Bourth's contributions?

11:19 Jan 13 

Yes, bring back Bourth! We miss him and can ill afford to lose such excellent contributors.

19:39 Jan 12 

For your info 'malaxer' is not a mixer but a 'massager'!! Don't laugh and don't ask, I've already had my ears pulled over this.

18:13 Jan 12 

Perhaps a general round of applause is required here, for all the hard workers:)

17:52 Jan 12 

@Bashiqa
Cheers, me dear! Can't win 'em all..

17:25 Jan 12 

Thanks as usual for your input even if in this case not quite on the right track. I for one will sing your praises and hard work.

17:24 Jan 12 

If we were mixing 'dough' it would be kneading:-)

16:16 Jan 12 

As for "all the time"....I spend hours helping colleagues, so I think we should not be too picky here...thank you for your understanding all.

16:07 Jan 12 

Indeed I am busy Phil...hence the "2" confidence level.

16:04 Jan 12 

c'est la traduction proposée sur le site que j'ai cité en dernier. C'est la matière première pour les charcutiers http://dc129.4shared.com/doc/ILc5qbxm/preview.html

15:56 Jan 12 

We've had it before. Interestingly, Liz was too busy to read the context last time too :-)
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/livestock_animal...

15:40 Jan 12 

par exemple ici, dans l'alimentaire aussi. ici la composition principale de la viande hachée (et je suis d'accord, pas très appétissant) : http://www.economie.gouv.fr/files/directions_services/daj/ma...
Ah oui, même piste que Wendy.
Ou bien ici :
Matières premières exploitables :
Minerais issus de morceaux difficilement utilisables : parures, épaule de dinde, jarret de
mouton, queue, pulpes de poisson, VSM,… ou de morceaux plus nobles : gigot, tranche,
filet et cuisse…auxquels on peut ajouter une part de parures ou de VSM, voire de pulpe, de
graisses diverses (canard, boeuf, mouton), mais aussi foie gras, fromage, certains fruits et légumes…

Principe de mise en oeuvre :
1. Le minerai de base est additionné d’eau, (0% à 30% recommandé, ou + selon l’aspect recherché) et de PALGACOL (à sec ou pré-mélangé),

15:40 Jan 12 

I was thinking Lutetia was Portugal. Ignore everything I said, especially since Wendy might be onto something.

15:29 Jan 12 

Je rejoins Phil : ce n'est guère appétissant.
Quant au nom de la société, Lutetia, il fait référence au nom latin de la ville de Paris http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutèce
Rien de portugais, là-dedans. Vu la qualité du français, je doute fortement qu'il s'agisse d'une traduction. Même si l'utilisation du terme "minerai" dans ce contexte me laisse pantois.

15:21 Jan 12 

The pictures are enough to put you off processed foods for life.

15:17 Jan 12 

The company's name suggests some kind of Portuguese connection, so the text may have been translated from that language. The machine is a malaxeur (mixer), and a different type of malaxeur is used to separate iron ore. I think something may have got lost in translation - though if that's the case, why hasn't the company corrected it on their website?

15:13 Jan 12 

Ingredients probably covers most items. By the way they then go into a "massager" would you believe!!

15:10 Jan 12 

If the original language wasn't French and the translator was faced with a term such as "raw materials", looked it up in the dictionary and incorrectly translated it as "minérais". So, I suggest you translate it as "ingredients".

15:09 Jan 12 

I've had a look at the company's website (which is easily found by Googling if you want a better idea of what these machines do). The English version uses "raw materials" for what goes in to the machine. "Minérais" seems a strange word to use, but could that be what it means?

15:07 Jan 12 

You've got me there. Must confess that option did not occur to me!!

15:05 Jan 12 

Could this be a quick way of improving iron and magnesium etc. intake: muching on bars of iron ore?