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French: 3ème geste

English translation: third-born







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French term or phrase: 3ème geste
English translation:third-born
Entered by:Elizeth Labega
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Genealogy / Guinean birth certificate
French term or phrase: 3ème geste
This birth-certificate extract from Guinea lists the usual things like parents' information and child's date and place of birth. Then it says:
Rang de Naissance: 3ème GESTE

I was assuming that the client was the third child born in Conakry that day, but what is the "GESTE" part?
Elizeth Labega
United States
Clarification request(s) and response
Irene McClure: 7:19pm Jul 17, 2008: Supplementary to fourth's answer - I think with hindsight it should be "third pregnancy" rather than "third birth", as 'gestation' refers to the carrying of the child rather than its delivery. Sorry, I had no more space to add a note to fourth's answer!
drcal: 7:50pm Jul 17, 2008: You're completely right Irene ! As a pediatrician, I confirm your explanation
mediamatrix: 1:39am Jul 19, 2008: The number of pregnancies prior to (or including) the current birth is totally irrrelevant in the context of birth certificate. All the more so after a heading "Rang de Naissance:" ...

third-born
Explanation:
I'm not familiar with the situation in Guinea, but I have come across a few other cases where 'geste' is recorded to identify the order of births within a family.

The usual English expression would be first-born, second-born, third-born, etc.

The purpose of this information depends on the country (it can affect inheritances, etc.); some countries include still-births in the sequence, others do not.

http://www.nber.org/natality/1998/docs/Nat1998doc.pdf
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mediamatrix
Chile
Note from asker to answerer
Many thanks, especially the mention of inheritances; makes sense.
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Summary of answers provided
2 +53rd Birth
fourth
4 +1third-bornmediamatrix
5 -33rd trimesterSpeakering


  

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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +5
3rd Birth

Explanation:
Gest-ation

fourth
France
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen: Et bien ca alors... bien trouve, il faut le faire.
4 mins
  -> LJWvL!What courage!

agree myrden
12 mins
  -> Thank you Tarascon!

agree Irene McClure: Spearkering's link above confirms yr translation! "La gestité est définie comme le nombre de grossesse d'une femme. Une primigeste est une femme enceinte pour la première fois, une 2ème geste pour une seconde fois, une 3ème geste pour la 3ème fois, etc."
42 mins
  -> Good Lord Irene! Thank you. I've never done it myself, of course and changed from Biology to Latin at 13. So ignorance reigns supreme. Yes I follow yr note, but it actually says "rang de naissance"

agree Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche: Hi, how's the heat up where you live? MCRLF/ HOT AND HEAVY!!!
2 hrs
  -> Thank you Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche!It's really great. Cool, bright, not oppressive.Is summer here? And Down There, M?

agree Mohamed Mehenoun
3 hrs
  -> Thank you Mohamed!
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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
third-born

Explanation:
I'm not familiar with the situation in Guinea, but I have come across a few other cases where 'geste' is recorded to identify the order of births within a family.

The usual English expression would be first-born, second-born, third-born, etc.

The purpose of this information depends on the country (it can affect inheritances, etc.); some countries include still-births in the sequence, others do not.

http://www.nber.org/natality/1998/docs/Nat1998doc.pdf

mediamatrix
Chile
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 24
Note from asker to answerer
Many thanks, especially the mention of inheritances; makes sense.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Emma Paulay: Yes, this is the best translation.
31 mins
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -3
3rd trimester

Explanation:
http://www.one.be/banque/sp.htm

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-07-17 20:29:54 GMT)
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good, here is the proof:
On compte également une importante proportion de "3ème geste et plus" ainsi que des mères qui ont déjà accouché deux fois ou plus d'un enfant viable.





Speakering
United States
Native speaker of: Native in MacedonianMacedonian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree Irene McClure: Your own link clearly states that "3ème geste" refers to the woman's third pregnancy, not the third trimester of her pregnancy!
44 mins

disagree kashew: Wrong guess
1 hr

disagree mediamatrix: The duration of the pregnancy is totally irrelevant in the context of a birth certificate. And I believe you are mis-interpreting your own 'proof' - "3ème geste et plus" refers to women who have delivered 3 or more (live) children.
1 day7 hrs
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