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English translation: furthest outpost







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French term or phrase:extrême avancée
English translation:furthest outpost
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French term or phrase: extrême avancée
I'm having a difficult time adapting this phrase to the rest of the translated context. Is it something like "extends the farthest along Grande Bleue on the French coastline?" I assume it is referring to Toulon (la ville), and "celui-ci" refers to the port, and does "celui de Gène" refer to a gulf or port? These 2 words (and the phrase I have entered) are really throwing me off.

Context:

"Les rois de France ont fait de Toulon le plus grand port de guerre de la Méditerranée. En effet, **extrême avancée** de la côte française sur la Grande Bleue, celui-ci surveille à la fois le golfe de Lyon et celui de Gènes."

Mille Mercis!

femme
femme
United States
Clarification request(s) and response
Drmanu49: 3:27pm Dec 5, 2007: I guess it is clear from the source text that it is the Southernmost French military/navy "war" port for French kings at that time. It seems clear this is not about fihing or leisure.
Drmanu49: 3:29pm Dec 5, 2007: Sorry, add an s to fishing!
Drmanu49: 3:33pm Dec 5, 2007: and it is gulf in both cases (de Gênes et du Lion).

furthest outpost
Explanation:
retains the semi-military terminology.


And "celui" does indeed refer to "le golfe".

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Roman Legionary Museum, Caerleon - Manchester City Guide venues ...Britain was its furthest outpost and, in AD 75, a fortress was founded at Caerleon which would guard the region for over 200 years. ...
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Caucasian Watering Places.... is approached through hilly country, partially wooded with oak and ash, elm, beech, and acacia -- the furthest outpost of the Caucasian range. ...
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E. J. DENT, MA, D.Mus.. BYZANTINE MUSIC.As the furthest outpost of Europe, Byzantium had to face. various waves of invasion from the .... Bactria, the furthest outpost of Hellenism in the East, ...
jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/1.pdf -

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Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
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Merci beaucoup!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4some facts.....xxxCMJ_Trans
4 +3furthest outpost
Carol Gullidge
4Southernmost French port on the Big Blue i.e. Mediterranean sea
Drmanu49
4furthest encroachment
Michael GREEN
1 +1last outpost
Jonathan MacKerron


  


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1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): +1
last outpost

Explanation:
my guess

Jonathan MacKerron
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Carol Gullidge: sorry, Jonathan, I didn't see your answer! (must be going blind!)
3 hrs
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
some facts.....

Explanation:
http://boutique.info-grece.com/product_info.php/manufacturer...

This tells you that la Grande Bleue is the Mediterranean

the extrême avancée means that Toulon is on the point of the Coast in the South of France that extends the furthest south into the Mediterranean

It means that Toulon, at France's southern tip in the Mediterranean, is in a good position to survey the Gulf of Lyon to the one side and the Gulf of Genoa (Italy) to the other

xxxCMJ_Trans
France
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 19

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree juliebarba
52 mins

neutral B D Finch: Not the furthest South as the Roussillon coast is further South, or had you forgotten us in the West?
1 hr
  -> no but it is what it SAYS here

agree Bourth: Though "south" is irrelevant really. What about Cerbère, I say! "Longest promontory on/into the Med" (irrespective of direction)
1 hr

agree Assimina Vavoula
2 hrs

agree Francis Marche: Cerbère does not have the French coast extending on both sides, Bourth
22 hrs
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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
furthest encroachment

Explanation:
Geographically, Toulon is the most southerly extension of the French coast in that area, and as the source text says, it was made into a major naval base for that reason.
I like "outpost" (Jonathan's suggestion) but I don't think the text justifies a military term at this point.

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Note added at 44 mins (2007-12-05 13:49:15 GMT)
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Please don't point out that I misspelt Mediterranean .... I noticed !
;-)

Example sentence(s):
  • Indeed, Toulon, the furthest encroachment of the French coast into the Mediterannean ...
Michael GREEN
France
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
furthest outpost

Explanation:
retains the semi-military terminology.


And "celui" does indeed refer to "le golfe".

A few links for "furthest outpost" in similar contexts:

wallpaper taz wallpaperTaz: Stuck in the furthest outpost of the Funjunkie empire, Taz was always set up to be ... http://www.funjunkie.co.uk/editors.cfm?Who=Taz ...
yzoo.co.uk/searches/web/taz+wallpaper.html - 127k - Cached - Similar pages

Roman Legionary Museum, Caerleon - Manchester City Guide venues ...Britain was its furthest outpost and, in AD 75, a fortress was founded at Caerleon which would guard the region for over 200 years. ...
www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/manchester/museum/WA000086.html?ixs... - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

We choose to go to the moon - WikisourceWhat was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. ...
en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_moon - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

Caucasian Watering Places.... is approached through hilly country, partially wooded with oak and ash, elm, beech, and acacia -- the furthest outpost of the Caucasian range. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60815FE355D11738DDDAD0894DA415B8885F0D3 - 3k - Cached - Similar pages

E. J. DENT, MA, D.Mus.. BYZANTINE MUSIC.As the furthest outpost of Europe, Byzantium had to face. various waves of invasion from the .... Bactria, the furthest outpost of Hellenism in the East, ...
jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/1.pdf -



Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Note from asker to answerer
Merci beaucoup!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree B D Finch
44 mins
  -> Thanks, Barbara!

neutral Drmanu49: outpost would be outside of France...and that is also the way I understand remote ;-).
59 mins
  -> thanks, you're partially right! ("beyond the main body of the army"), but it can also be "a remote settlement or stronghold" (Chambers)/St can be remote without being beyond the borders

agree Victoria Burns:
2 hrs
  -> thanks, Victoria!

agree emiledgar
3 hrs
  -> thanks, emiledgar!
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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Southernmost French port on the Big Blue i.e. Mediterranean sea

Explanation:
Valorisation de la partie Toulon - Port Said: Etude la circulation des masses ... the surface circulation in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean Sea. ...
www.ifremer.fr/sismer/program/csus/htql/campagne.htql?CRNO=... - 12k -

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Note added at 18 mins (2007-12-05 13:23:16 GMT)
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Situated at the southernmost tip of the French coast, the PORT OF TOULON benefits from an excellent strategic position in the Western Mediterranean. ...
maritime.var.cci.fr/uk/maritime/port-toulon.asp?idrub=629 - 25k -

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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:24:32 GMT)
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I thought everybody would understand that it is the Southernmost French military or navy port.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:32:18 GMT)
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and it is gulf in both cases.

Dans le golfe de Gênes, c'est-à-dire sous le vent des Alpes, une dépression de valeur inférieure à 1 008 hPa s'est formée. Au vent de la Corse, au large, ...
www.meteo.fr/meteonet/decouvr/situation/mer.htm - 67k -

Le golfe du Lion est une petite partie de la mer Méditerranée qui se situe face au littoral sableux des régions françaises du Languedoc-Roussillon et de la ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golfe_du_Lion - 20k -

Drmanu49
France
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree B D Finch: Just because it's published doesn't make it right. Look at a map and compare the position of Toulon with the Roussillon coast in the South West.
1 hr
  -> Disagree with your disagree, I thought you would understand that it is the Southernmost French military port.

agree Francis Marche: Disagree with B D Finch: the Roussillon coast has SPAIN on one side, whilst Toulon has the French coast line extending East and West.
22 hrs
  -> Thank you Francis!
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