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10:15 Aug 25, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / medieval history
French term or phrase: commanderie
Medieval fortified building housing monks of military religious order
Stephen Chalk
France
Local time: 22:46
English translation:commandery
Explanation:
Not that difficult to find!

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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 14:08:33 GMT)
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Another good ref: http://www.saintlazarus.org.uk/Ordertoday.htm
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Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 22:46
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Emma Paulay
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Christopher Crockett

  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
commandery


Explanation:
Not that difficult to find!

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Note added at 3 hrs (2008-08-25 14:08:33 GMT)
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Another good ref: http://www.saintlazarus.org.uk/Ordertoday.htm


    Reference: http://www.worcestercitymuseums.org.uk/comm/combuld/comdet.h...
Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 22:46
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 26
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Asker: Thank you to everyone who hasreplied. Christopher Crockett's information was very interesting (Should I have said "Knights belonging to a monastic order" ?) and so was Emma's reference. I had already found the Wikipedia article under "Commandry"but thought someone might enlighten me as to the exact status of a Commandery. The insitution in question was actually a hospice for pilgrims on the Route to Compostella, and certainly a political/administrative/economic centre too. As it was founded by Gaston IV "the Crusader" of Béarn it almost certainly provided revenue to finance wars in the Holy Land.


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agree  irat56
6 mins
  -> Thanks, irat.

agree  carolynf
12 mins
  -> Thanks, Carolyn

agree  Beatriz Ramírez de Haro: synchronisation parfaite! j'éfface la mienne
1 hr
  -> Merci Bea

agree  writeaway: what a wonderful ref you found. I spent time trying (unsuccessfully) to edit it. ;-) /yes also found it very quickly and easily
1 hr
  -> Thanks, writeaway. Yes it seems to be a useful ref. I just googled 'monks' and 'commandery'.

agree  Christopher Crockett: Used only for the miltary orders,essentially a kind of what would be called a "priory," in a normal monastic context. I'm not sure that I would call Templars/Hospitalers "monks," however. They remained "knights," and are usually called that or "brothers."
1 hr
  -> Thanks for the expert comments, Christopher!

agree  Cervin: There's one in my local town
6 hrs
  -> Well that settles it then! Thanks, Cervin.
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This page:
[ Latest News ] [ Commandery Background ]

A glorious Grade 1 listed site dating back to the 12th century, The Commandery has had a long and varied history that is reflected in its range of architectural styles from medieval to Victorian. The Commandery has exciting stories to tell you about power, greed, war, wealth, romance, death, society and industry. Step back in time to catch a glimpse of the lively characters that have inhabited this ancient building during the past seven centuries.

Using state of the art audio interpretation, The Commandery’s long-hidden history comes vividly to life allowing you to explore six chosen periods, enjoying the characters and the atmosphere of the building’s colourful past.

The Commandery has reopened after a major £1.5 million refurbishment with financial assistance from the Heritage Lottery Fund. Further information on our forthcoming events and more images of the site will be posted shortly.

The Commandery Dig Archive 2006
[ week 1 ] [ week 2 ] [ week 3 ]
[ week 4 ] [ week 5 ] [ week 6 ]

Link to the Heritage Lottery Fund web site
COMMANDERY BACKGROUND:

We know very little about the early history of the Commandery. Tradition has it that the building was founded as a hospital around 1085 by Saint Wulfstan, then Bishop of Worcester. However the hospital was built around a much earlier Saxon chapel dedicated to Saint Gudwal - which was located to the North of the present building

Although all traces of this chapel have gone from the area, it must have been a considerable structure, today all that remains are the base pillars of three nave columns placed on the lawn outside and some medieval glass re-used in the Great Hall windows.

The building attributed to Saint Wulfstan was a monastic institution designed to act as a hospital. It seems to have been established with the needs of travellers in mind. Its location, just outside the city walls beside the Sidbury gate, put it at the junction of the main roads from London, Bath and Bristol. Here it could provide travellers with aid should they arrive after the closing of the gates at night

After serving its original function for nearly 500 years, the hospital was among the last monastic institutions to be dissolved by Henry VIII in 1540. From this date onwards the Commandery was to fulfill a number of vastly varied roles that would see it the focus of national events during the Civil War through to quieter times as a family home. The building itself would undergo a range of improvements, repairs and re-buildings throughout its history as each successive owner sought to make their stamp on the place.
http://www.worcestercitymuseums.org.uk/comm/commind.htm

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agree  maggiemw
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Re: "monks of military relgious orders":

Even though it may sound a little strange to Anglophone ears, Emma's "commandery" seems to be the proper term in English for what were, essentially, "priories" in the context of the military "orders" --they were administrative outposts found in all the larger towns and cities, but also in rather isolated villages as well, frequently (always??) consisting of chapels surrounded by housing for the resident knights (and lay brothers) and administrative offices. I presume that they were placed under the charge of a "commander" (though I have no idea what the Latin term might have been --it's not my field at all).

I've always assumed (with no real knowledge of the subject) that "The Temple" in London was originally the site of a commandery of the Knights Templar. There is a similar neighborhood in Paris with similar origins, I believe (at least a "rue du Temple").

In any event, though they were members of what might be called a "monastic" order, I don't believe I've ever seen them referred to as "monks" --the "professed" members were "knights (_milites_) Templar / Hospitaler"; and the non-professed fellows were, like their Benedictine and Cistercian monastic collegues, called "lay brothers" (_conversi_, I believe is the proper Latin term).

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