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port avancé

English translation: outlying port


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French term or phrase:port avancé
English translation:outlying port
Entered by: Susan Nicholls
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Social Sciences - History / maritime commerce
French term or phrase: port avancé
Les relations entre Caen et son *port avancé* de Ouistreham avec l'Angleterre sont bien attestées dès le XIe siècle.

Intermediate port?

For some reason I can't hit on what this must be in English. All help gratefully received, as ever. Thank you all.
Susan Nicholls
Spain
Local time: 15:08
outlying port
Explanation:
Sailed from there many a time. Ouistreham is about 12 km from the port of Caen. Being properly on the coast it has easier access to the sea, if not to the town itself. It is mainly a container port, but Brittany Ferries sail from there.
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Gilla Evans
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:08
Grading comment
Among the many, many ideas this seems a good option - seaport or outer harbour might have worked too depending on the context (a bit different here since there were a number of seaports close to Caen, and the current canal set-up did not exist at the time).
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4seaport
Travelin Ann
4 +1outer harboremiledgar
4 +1outlying port
Gilla Evans
5harbour on shoreline
Philippe Lascourrèges
4remote port
Bourth
3tidal portLinda Sansome
3forepostblomguib
3cross-channel ferry port
desertfox
2leading port?telletubby
Summary of reference entries provided
O is C's coastal portpolyglot45

Discussion entries: 16





  

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
forepost


Explanation:
is what I was thinking.. I think this is what is meant here...the funny thing is that I cannot find this word in any of my dictionaries...I am beginning to wonder if it really exists....it should, in view of the hits on the internet

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this was in view of what polyglot45 wrote in the discussion


blomguib
Brazil
Local time: 12:08
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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
leading port?


Explanation:
I agree with Desert Fox about the usual maritime meaning but as he says it doesn't seem to make much sense here.

telletubby
France
Local time: 15:08
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
harbour on shoreline


Explanation:
just the meaning

Philippe Lascourrèges
France
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
outlying port


Explanation:
Sailed from there many a time. Ouistreham is about 12 km from the port of Caen. Being properly on the coast it has easier access to the sea, if not to the town itself. It is mainly a container port, but Brittany Ferries sail from there.

Gilla Evans
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:08
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Grading comment
Among the many, many ideas this seems a good option - seaport or outer harbour might have worked too depending on the context (a bit different here since there were a number of seaports close to Caen, and the current canal set-up did not exist at the time).
Notes to answerer
Asker: This looks about right, thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Morley: Yes - I like 'outlying port'
5 hrs
  -> thanks Colin
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
seaport


Explanation:
It may be as simple as this. Please see my web reference.


    Reference: http://www.hgu.gu.se/Files/foretagsekonomi/LoT/Johan/Publica...
Travelin Ann
United States
Local time: 09:08
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you. I think the word "avance" is used as a verb in your reference in the discussion section - the development of the port is making progress. This is an interesting reference, thank you. It couldn't just be "port" because Caen had its own river port.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jessica Noyes: I think so too.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Jessica

agree  Jim Tucker
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Jim

agree  Anne-Marie Grant
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, Anne-Marie

agree  Clive Phillips
6 hrs
  -> Thanks, Clive
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
cross-channel ferry port


Explanation:
[edit] Ouistreham
At the entrance of the canal is the Port of Caen's cross-channel ferry port.


Found this in Wikipedia.

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Note added at 29 mins (2009-09-25 15:10:27 GMT)
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Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Caen

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Note added at 34 mins (2009-09-25 15:15:27 GMT)
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A port used for cross-channel ferry transport.

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Note added at 37 mins (2009-09-25 15:18:10 GMT)
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Another possibility is that they really meant this:

avant-port (m)
n. outer harbour

but are bad in French and wrote port port avancé !!



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Note added at 44 mins (2009-09-25 15:24:48 GMT)
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The Port of Caen where car ferry ships dock is Ouistreham on the coast of the Bay of Seine, 15km north of Caen, accessed via fast dual carriageway. Brittany Ferries and P & O Ferries operate daily ferry services from Portsmouth to Caen. Both ferry services dock at the Transmanche Terminal, situated on the west bank of the outer harbour. Transmanche is also used for the shipment of freight with 2.5m tonnes shipped in 2003. Ouistreham not only has excellent road links to the rest of Normandy, but also to Paris, Brittany, the Loire, and South-West France.



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Note added at 47 mins (2009-09-25 15:27:49 GMT)
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Here is some historical facts:

Ouistreham and Caen & History. The area was invaded by Norsemen during the 9th and 10th centuries. In the 10th century, Caen first became important under the dukes of Normandy. It was William the Conqueror s favourite city and where he and Matilda of Flanders were married. However, because they were distant cousins, the pope excommunicated them. In 1059 they  atoned for their sin by each founding an abbey - the Church of Saint-Étienne at the Abbaye-aux-Hommes was founded by William and is where his tomb is located. The Church of La Trinité, at the Abbaye-aux-Dames was founded by Matilda where her tomb is located. Both churches where undamaged during WWII. Ouistreham flourished as a port throughout the Anglo-Norman period and through centuries depended on fishing and farming. In 1346, under Edward III and during the Hundred Years War, Caen was captured by the English. The English, led by Henry VI, again ruled the city from 1417 to 1450 and during this time a university was established. In 1685, the Protestant city s prosperity plummeted as its population emigrated following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes. During the French Revolution [1789 to 1799], Caen was the focal point for the anti-Revolutionary Girondist movement. In the 19th century, the 15km long ship canal was constructed. Ouistreham was the most eastern of the D-Day landings and during the Battle of Normandy, June 6 to August 22 1944, Caen became the centre of German resistance to the British-Canadian advance.



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Note added at 1 hr (2009-09-25 16:01:19 GMT)
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OK. if Rouen is the outer port of Paris than Ouistreham is(was in the 11-12 centuries too) the outer port of Caen.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-09-25 16:04:22 GMT)
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Another example:

The Port of Hook of Holland (Hoek van Holland) is the outer port of Rotterdam and is situated on the Nieuwe Waterweg close to the North Sea and just 48 miles from Amsterdam.

desertfox
Israel
Local time: 16:08
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Notes to answerer
Asker: I'm not sure this was the case in the twelfth century!

Asker: The above comment relating to ferries. Yes, outer, or outlying, seems to be right. Rotterdam is a huge port itself, but uses Hoek of Holland - Caen had its own river port, now used only for yachts, but used the seaport of Ouistreham.

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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
outer harbor


Explanation:
English term for the satellite port of a city..

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Like Ostia for ancient Rome.

emiledgar
Belgium
Local time: 15:08
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  rkillings: Best of the lot. "The port of Caen is composed of a series of basins on the Canal de Caen à la Mer, linking Caen to Ouistreham, 15 km (9.3 m) downstream, on the English Channel." (Wikipedia)
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remote port


Explanation:
and possibly add "(12 km away)"

Bourth
France
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tidal port


Explanation:
I am not sure about this. However, I thought about the history of Winchelsea & it's status in medieval times. I used to live there many years ago and it was described as an ancient tidal port for Sussex - a member of the Cinque Ports Confederation.

http://www.winchelsea.net/visiting/winchelsea_history.htm

Linda Sansome
France
Local time: 15:08
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Reference comments


16 mins
Reference: O is C's coastal port

Reference information:
Brittany Ferries Holiday Search - France - Normandy - Hotels ...1 Sep 2009 ... Ouistreham is Caen's seaport, where the ship canal from the city meets the sea, ... Coastal location. Village location. Ideal for foot passengers ... Departure Port, Arrival Port, Approximate distance to property (km) ...
www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/.../Ouistreham/.../

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