French to English translations [PRO] History / municipality
French term or phrase:seigneurie hautaine
This is about a village in Wallonia. I have already hade a seigneurie fonciere, which I have provisionally translated as a "landed lordship". Any ideas please!
Explanation: "Strictly speaking the seigneurie was not a specific territory, but rather the right to administer justice within a jurisdiction."
"The nobility of Holland: from Knights to Regents 1500-1650" Henk F.K. van Nierop. See link p. 142
"by the fifteenth century the dominion split into three lordships, that is, personal (serfdom), landlordship and jurisdictional lordship".
The Peasant War of Upper Swabia, Isamu Shimada, see link p. 104 (i.e. p.4 of the pdf)
Explanation: I have seen the term used (with various spellings) in what appears to be a similar context, e.g.the upper lordship of Colwick, the Upper-Lordship (Oberherrschaft) of Schwarzburg-. Sonderhausen
Victoria Barkoff Canada Local time: 03:58 Works in field Native speaker of: English
Note that "manor" has come to mean "residence of a lord", as in "lord of the manor", but that originally a MANOR was "A unit of English territorial organization, orig. of the nature of a feudal lordship. It now consists of the lord's demesne (if any) and of lands from th eholders of which he has the right to exact certain fees and fines, and within which he has certain privileges" [haha, le droit de cuissage ....] [SOED]
The manor was an administrative and political unit. There were MANORIAL COURTS, AND THE LORD OR HIS AGENT PRESIDED OVER THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE. ... www.answers.com/topic/manorial-system
So far as the LORD OF THE MANOR was concerned, the Law of Property Act abolished copyhold tenure, TAKING AWAY HIS RIGHT TO BE LORD OF THE SOIL save that ... www.russellgranttravelclub.com/content/lord.htm
occurs, which the author of the Chronicle in an appended glossary justly ...... LORD OF THE MANOR WAS ALSO LORD OF THE SOIL in waste of the manor. Hence ... www.efm.bris.ac.uk/het/nasse/agricult.p
Bourth France Local time: 09:58 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 143
Explanation: This follows for Ingebord's reference posting. If that is the proper context, this does seem to be a common term used in historical studies for those powers -- as accorded under the feudal system.
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Here's fonciere from Ingebord's source:
Seigneurie foncière : seigneurie dont les droits se fondaient sur la propriété de la terre, du sol sur lequel s'étendait leur juridiction.Le seigneur désignait une cour de justice dite Cour censale comprenant un mayeur qui le représentait, des échevins et un greffier. Ils étaient choisis parmi les tenanciers résidant dans la seigneurie ou du moins, devaient y posséder un bien. Parfois analphabète, ils jugeaient selon la coutume et le bon sens. Seul le greffier devait jouir d'une certaine instruction.La justice rendue ne s'appliquait pas aux personnes, aux matières pénales, à la répression des délits et des crimes : sa compétence judiciaire se limitait aux seuls procès de propriétés, comme les litiges de bornage, les contestations au sujet des mutations, des rentes ou des héritages (équivalence, de nos jours, d'un juge de paix) Il servait aussi de bureau d'enregistrement par vente, donation, partage,échange ou location. Pour céder une droit ou vendre un bien, on devait, préalablement, transporter entre les mains du mayeur qui en ayant pris possession au nom du seigneur, le retransmettait à son tour au nouvel acquéreur moyennant l'acquittement des droits. Le seigneur foncier percevait bien entendu « la taxe de transmission et les droits de succession ».
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In this case I think Termium is over generalizing. The feudal system was a rather rigid hierarchial system, and our "fonciere" appears to have a lower level role. Bourth's references are pertinent to the idea of the "hautaine," in this hierarchy.
Example sentence(s):
Customary payments of pannage for swine and cattle grazing on the waste, customs of so-called grass earth labour, fines for cuttmg down trees, and especially hunting and fishing privileges, are among the earliest manifestations of manorial lordship over t
Stephanie Ezrol United States Local time: 03:58 Works in field Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: Seigneur foncière is lord of the manor in Termium
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Seigneurie hautaine : seigneurie ayant le droit de haute justice, c'est-à-dire, droit de rendre des sentences en matière pénale et criminelle, haute justice avec la perception des droits et amendes qui était attachée à cette mission. D'autres prérogatives y étaient jointes : le droit de chasse et de pêche, celui de posséder le moulin banal, le four ou la brasserie. Les seigneuries hautaines ne comprenaient pas la juridiction du sol. Il arrivait souvent que la même localité dépende à la fois d'un ou plusieurs seigneurs fonciers ou d'un seigneur hautain.
Ingeborg Gowans Canada Works in field Native speaker of: German PRO pts in category: 8
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