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English translation: initiation


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08:52 Apr 29, 2010
French to English translations [PRO]
History / alchemy
French term or phrase: intronisation
This appears as a title, without any context, (and doesn't give the text it refers to). Is 'enthronement' something to do with alchemy?
mportal
Local time: 17:10
English translation:initiation
Explanation:
one would be "initiated" into a brotherhood of alchemists, probably in an obscure ceremony featuring goats hooves, base metals and foul odours...
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Colin Smith
Local time: 17:10
Grading comment
Thank you very much, Colin. I thought this was the best translation, although it is possible that 'intronisation', (unlikely as it seems to me)
might also be used where liqueurs are concerned. This text is about the historical background to the liqueur, and also about alchemists.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3induction
Gilla Evans
5enthronementConstantinos Faridis
5initiation
Colin Smith
2 +1joining the brotherhoodtelletubby
3intronisation
Hilary Wilson


  

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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
enthronement


Explanation:
intronisation translation French - English : intronisation nf [+pape, roi] enthronement … . French - English, Collins dictionary, synonyms, translation.
dictionary.reverso.net/.../intronisation
Information about enthronement in the free online English dictionary and encyclopedia. ... enthronement [ɪnˈθrəʊnmənt] n [monarch] → intronisation f; ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/enthronement - Προσωρινά αποθηκευμένη - Παρόμοιεςenthrone - definition of enthrone by the Free Online Dictionary ... - [ Μετάφραση αυτής της σελίδας ]
Definition of enthrone in the Online Dictionary. Meaning of enthrone. ... بر تخت نشانی؛ تجلیل kruunaus intronisation הַכתָרָה राज्यारोहण, ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/enthrone

Constantinos Faridis
Greece
Local time: 19:10
Native speaker of: Greek
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: The word definitely means 'enthronement', for a pope, or a king, but for an alchemist that seems like a strange word.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Martin Cassell: this takes no account of context or domain-specific usage
1 hr

neutral  emiledgar: not in this context; this has nothing to do with becoming a king.
7 hrs
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49 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
intronisation


Explanation:
Intronisation is used in English, but only in the context of wine, so if the context is different, maybe introduction is better.

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Note added at 50 mins (2010-04-29 09:42:41 GMT)
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http://www.wineguilduk.org/ceremonial-and-regalia.php


    Reference: http://www.wineguilduk.org/membership.php
Hilary Wilson
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
joining the brotherhood


Explanation:
I only know this term in the context of wine where devotees of a certain wine making area in France can be 'intronisé.' They dress up in robes, are admitted as 'confrères,' and everyone has a jolly time. I don't think the litteral translation of 'enthronement' makes much sense so I would suggest something along the lines of the above adapted to the context .

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-04-29 10:10:11 GMT)
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I think that does the job very well. of course initiation can have connotations but I still think it maybe captures the sense better than joining

telletubby
Local time: 18:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: That sounds like the kind of thing they would be talking about. How about 'initiation into the brotherhood', then, or does that sound as if it involves some sort of trial?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chris Hall
28 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
induction


Explanation:
or even induction ceremony. This is the word used usually for initiating a new member into a society, especially a secret society.

Does it fit your context?


Gilla Evans
Local time: 17:10
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Smith: this is more appropriate than enthronement for this context
45 mins
  -> thanks, Colin

agree  emiledgar
6 hrs
  -> thanks, emiledgar

agree  Sandra Mouton
9 hrs
  -> thanks, Sandra
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
initiation


Explanation:
one would be "initiated" into a brotherhood of alchemists, probably in an obscure ceremony featuring goats hooves, base metals and foul odours...

Example sentence(s):
  • Geber (8th century) and Avicena (10th century) were alchemists and physicians both initiated into austere Sufi fraternities

    Reference: http://www.alchemywebsite.com/caezza4.html
Colin Smith
Local time: 17:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you very much, Colin. I thought this was the best translation, although it is possible that 'intronisation', (unlikely as it seems to me)
might also be used where liqueurs are concerned. This text is about the historical background to the liqueur, and also about alchemists.
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