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English translation: the Crown


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French term or phrase:le pouvoir royal
English translation:the Crown
Entered by: B D Finch
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12:24 Sep 1, 2010
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History
French term or phrase: le pouvoir royal
"c'est le moment ou le pouvoir royal crée les hôpitaux pour les mendiants..."

Wld appreciate suggestions.
Colin Bowles
Local time: 13:10
the Crown
Explanation:
"An office established by the crown in 1361, the monarch appointed Justices usually from among the nobles, county gentry, or more rarely, the clergy. ..."
www.foda.org.uk/oaths/intro/glossary.htm

" any other body established by the Crown or under statute in order substantially to perform any of the functions that had previously been performed by ..."
www.hmrc.gov.uk/selling/control-contract.pdf -

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"The Court of Star Chamber was established by the Crown in 1487 to try offences dealing with the safety of the state before a council. Its scope expanded over time to include a wider array of criminal matters and a limited number of civil matters, such as suits between corporations and prize cases. In its final years the court was infamous for cruelty, arbitrary nature and illegal extensions of power. It was abolished in 1641. Crompton's L'Authoritie et Iurisdiction L'Authoritie et Iurisdiction des Courts de la Maiestie de la Roygne (1594) is one of the best sources we have today about the court system of his day."
www.find-a-book.com/member/catalogues.php3?catnr=3076.

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A literal translation as "royal power" doesn't really fit the context and though the Crown would probably have founded the hospital by royal decree (I'm not sure whether there were alternative methods), that is not what the French source text says.

The capital letter for "Crown" is optional, but best used if referring to a particular monarch.
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 18:10
Grading comment
Tks. That's the general term I was trying to remember.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +8the Crown
B D Finch
4 +1Crown's power/edict/sliz askew
5royal power
Chris Hall
4the Royal Prerogative
Carol Gullidge
3 +1royal decreeclain
3highest authority/ies of the Kingdom; the King/Queen/SovereignxxxBourth


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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
royal decree


Explanation:
A royal decree of 27 April 1656 founded a General Hospital charged with preventing “… begging and laziness as the sources of all disorders.” (Foucault 1961, p. 90) In England and Germany and elsewhere in Europe there were workhouses and poorhouses with a similarly catholic clientele.

http://howardrichards.org/peace/content/view/71/99/

Le 27 avril 1656, le pouvoir royal créait l’Hôpital Général qui avait pour objectif mettre au travail les mendiants et de « sauver leurs âmes ».

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hôpital_général

clain
Local time: 12:10
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: Yes, you could say hospitals ... were created by royal decree.
2 hrs
  -> Yes, it sounds better turned around that way.Thanks, Phil.
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
pouvoir royal
royal power


Explanation:
Source: http://past.oxfordjournals.org/content/208/1/37.short?rss=1

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom

"John's reign was marked by conflict with the barons, particularly over the limits of royal power"

"The next monarch, Edward I, was far more successful in maintaining royal power, and was responsible for the conquest of Wales"

"David II died childless in 1371 and was succeeded by his nephew Robert II of the House of Stuart. The reigns of both Robert II and his successor, Robert III, were marked by a general decline in royal power"





Chris Hall
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Crown's power/edict/s


Explanation:
Hospital Politics in Seventeenth-Century France: The Crown, Urban ...
by JM Macdonald - 2009
16 Apr 2009 ... Tim McHugh's primary aim in Hospital Politics in ... the crown's power as absolute in the realm of hospital politics. ... In the first section, McHugh explores theories on charity and poor relief as well as the crown's edicts on hospitals. ... were never able to end the presence of beggars in Paris. ...
fh.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/2/275.full

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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agree  BOB DE DENUS
31 mins
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the Royal Prerogative


Explanation:
The Royal Prerogative
Royal Prerogative is the term given to the formal powers of the Crown within the executive process of British politics. The Royal Prerogative are the powers ...
www.historylearningsite.co.uk › British Politics

Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:10
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 35

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: Not a very authoritative source. The Royal prerogative is the powers exclusive to the Crown. This particular power wasn't exclusive. //The MoJ didn't use "historylearningsite"! The MoJ quotation is consistent with the point I made.
1 hr
  -> Not according to the Ministry of Justice (is that authoritative enough?): "the Royal prerogative as it relates to devolved matters that fall within the competence of the Ministers of the devolved administrations in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales"

neutral  Jim Tucker: This is a specific legal term that indicates such power belongs to the King alone. I don't see this as the focus in the present passage. Also, not sure I've ever seen it used of France. Of the Commonwealth, yes, and of Spain.
2 hrs
  -> I'm not sure that my MoJ link doesn't suggest otherwise. Also, do we know for sure that this takes place in France? I'm only going on the limited context provided with the question. Which is not to say that both you and Barbara are wrong of course!
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +8
the Crown


Explanation:
"An office established by the crown in 1361, the monarch appointed Justices usually from among the nobles, county gentry, or more rarely, the clergy. ..."
www.foda.org.uk/oaths/intro/glossary.htm

" any other body established by the Crown or under statute in order substantially to perform any of the functions that had previously been performed by ..."
www.hmrc.gov.uk/selling/control-contract.pdf -

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Note added at 10 mins (2010-09-01 12:35:11 GMT)
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"The Court of Star Chamber was established by the Crown in 1487 to try offences dealing with the safety of the state before a council. Its scope expanded over time to include a wider array of criminal matters and a limited number of civil matters, such as suits between corporations and prize cases. In its final years the court was infamous for cruelty, arbitrary nature and illegal extensions of power. It was abolished in 1641. Crompton's L'Authoritie et Iurisdiction L'Authoritie et Iurisdiction des Courts de la Maiestie de la Roygne (1594) is one of the best sources we have today about the court system of his day."
www.find-a-book.com/member/catalogues.php3?catnr=3076.

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Note added at 16 mins (2010-09-01 12:41:28 GMT)
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A literal translation as "royal power" doesn't really fit the context and though the Crown would probably have founded the hospital by royal decree (I'm not sure whether there were alternative methods), that is not what the French source text says.

The capital letter for "Crown" is optional, but best used if referring to a particular monarch.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 18:10
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 19
Grading comment
Tks. That's the general term I was trying to remember.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christopher Crockett: Yes, I think that a more generally vague "The Crown" --the institution of the monarchy-- is called for here. There may or may not have been decrees or edits or perogatives involved. The only important thing is the institution which created the things.
47 mins
  -> Thanks Christopher

agree  Jocelyne S: For the second time today...
59 mins
  -> Thanks Jocelyne. Thanks for the loyalty!

agree  Helen Shiner: Yes, or the monarchy
1 hr
  -> Thanks Helen

agree  David Salas
2 hrs
  -> Thanks David.

agree  emiledgar
3 hrs
  -> Thanks emile

agree  Stephanie Ezrol
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Stephanie

agree  Jenna Porter-Jacek
6 hrs
  -> Thanks Jenna

agree  ACOZ
10 hrs
  -> Thanks ACOZ
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
highest authority/ies of the Kingdom; the King/Queen/Sovereign


Explanation:
An interesting one.
What period is this? What king or queen is reigning?

Had they wanted "Crown" etc. they could surely have said "Couronne" etc., there being direct French equivalents for all the proposals so far (of which "royal power" comes closest to the French). What we need to know is WHY this somewhat unusual - I should have thought - expression is used. All I can think of is a period of regency, where the pouvoir is not actually "Royal" (with a capital R) even if it IS part of the royal family. One way round it, if there is still doubt, would be to refer to "the highest authorities of the Kingdom".

Alternatively, maybe they just mean le roi etc. but had already used that in the previous line (could you quote the lead-in and lead-out to your phrase?) and felt an urgent need for elegant variation.

xxxBourth
Local time: 18:10
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