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French: carrassiers

English translation: raftsman







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French term or phrase:carrassier
English translation:raftsman
Entered by:Tonja Willey
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French term or phrase: carrassiers
Les grumes étaient amenées par flottage à pièces perdues... De là, elles étaient liées en radeaux que les radeliers ou *carrassiers* conduisaient vers...
Tonja Willey
France
Clarification request(s) and response
Hacene: 7:06pm Jun 1, 2004: my pleasure -

raftsman
Explanation:
1st link explain the signification and origine of the word in French (Occitan)
2nd link: 32 occurence of raftsman often in association with lumberman
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Hacene
United Kingdom
Note from asker to answerer
thanks for the origine of the word!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +1raftsman
Hacene
3 +2rafters
Sheila Hardie
4punterCarruthers
4river driver, river ratBourth
1pilots
Julie Roy


  

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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
punter

Explanation:
"rafters and punters"

Carruthers
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49 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
pilots

Explanation:
Just a suggestion...
piles > pil...ots?

Le grand dictionnaire terminologique
carrasse = pile

Définition :
Ensemble formé dans les Magasins par des couches superposées de balles de caisses ou de boucauts de tabacs en feuilles.
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Il est possible que ce terme maintenant attribué au tabac provienne de « carrasses » formées par des pièces perdues superposées (ou reliées horizontalement)?

I'm really only guessing here...

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Note added at 53 mins (2004-05-23 16:05:08 GMT)
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Still guessing...

carrassiers = drivers
carrassiers = floaters

Au Canada, nous avions des « draveurs », ce qui se traduit par « driver » ou « floaters » en anglais.

Définition (de draveur) :
Transporter des bois sur une voie d\'eau, en les faisant flotter en trains ou à bûches perdues.

Note(s) :
Le verbe anglais (to float) a une signification plus générale et signifie : transporter par voie d\'eau.

Julie Roy
Canada
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
rafters

Explanation:
It seems to mean the same thing as 'radelier' - so a person who drives logs down a river - a rafter.

HTH

Sheila


Format del fitxer: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versió HTML
... cours d’eau ont toujours offert une route idéale mais périlleuse pour le flottage
du bois dont étaient chargés les radeliers – ou carrassiers en occitan ...
www.caderonne.com/file/Gazette18.pdf - Pàgines similars



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Note added at 1 hr 8 mins (2004-05-23 16:19:56 GMT)
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CODE: 455.664-010Buy the DOT:Download/Diskettes/CD-ROM
TITLE(s): RAFTER (logging)

Assembles floating logs into rafts for towing to mill: Bores holes in boom sticks (side poles of raft), and swifters (cross poles or ribs) with power-driven auger, and threads chain or cable through holes to form raft frame. Signals LOG SORTER (logging) to push logs between frame members and maneuvers them into position with pike pole, or signals boat operator to push log bundles into raft. Binds logs into rafts with chain or cable and fastens binder with cable clamp or clevis. May unload logs from railroad cars and log trucks.
GOE: 03.04.02 STRENGTH: H GED: R2 M1 L1 SVP: 3 DLU: 77


http://www.occupationalinfo.org/45/455664010.html

Or LOG DRIVERS

http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/WIReader/Galleries/Logging...

ANOTHER TERM IS - RIVER DRIVER

http://home.att.net/~lassen.logger/terms-r.htm

River Driving (Rafting)

River driving originated as a way for the lumberjacks to transports the logs from the woods to the sawmills. The lumberjacks could be cutting timber hundreds of miles into the woods, so it was too far for them to build roads, or for them to be transported by the railroads. So during the winter cutting season, the logs would be cut and skidded to the banks of the frozen rivers by horse and oxen where they would be stacked until spring. When the spring thaw cam, the river drivers, equipped with nothing but caulked (spiked) boots and a piked (metal pick on the end) pole, would roll the logs into the rivers and would drive the mass of logs down the rivers by balancing on top of them. River driving was the most dangerous work in the camp. They could fall into the icy cold water and be crushed between the moving mass of logs, or they could even fall into the icy cold water and get hypothermia.

There was also the danger of log jams. Log jams occurred at places where the water was shallow, or where there were bends in the rivers. The river drivers did their best to keep the logs moving, but with thousands of logs, it was hard to stop a jam once it started. Log jams were broken by either using dynamite, or by digging through the pile until they got to the key log. The key log was the one log that was holding the entire jam back. It could be many feet inside a log jam, making it very dangerous to remove. Many lumberjacks, sometimes five or six at a time, were killed while removing these jams. Due to the high danger associated with river driving, the river drivers were the most highly skilled, and the most highly respected men in the logging camps. They were able to ride the logs through rapids, fast water, even dams built in the rivers (dams were sometimes necessary for the water to be deep enough to transport the logs). Because the river driver\'s work was the most dangerous in the camp, they were the most highly paid. For a days work, they were paid anywhere from seventy-five cents to a dollar.

http://www.logrolling.org/tutorials/history/

Sheila Hardie
Spain
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Vicky Papaprodromou
8 mins

neutral aqanai: Rafter is a roof beam. The woord you are looking for is raftsman.
42 mins

neutral Tom Bishop: Rafter does also mean someone who rides on a raft, but raftsman sounds more appropriate for a professional in this context.
6 hrs

agree Carruthers: Aganai, a punter is a person who places bets, but it c an also mean boatsman, same goes for rafter
16 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
raftsman

Explanation:
1st link explain the signification and origine of the word in French (Occitan)
2nd link: 32 occurence of raftsman often in association with lumberman


    Reference: http://www.caderonne.com/file/Gazette18.pdf
    Reference: http://www.pabucktail.com/Reference/Descent%20of%20the%20Raf...
Hacene
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 16
Note from asker to answerer
thanks for the origine of the word!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Tom Bishop
4 hrs
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
river driver, river rat

Explanation:
Not necessarily working on rafts, though.

You might find this lexicon useful:
http://home.att.net/~lassen.logger/terms-r.htm [replace R by whatever letter]

Bourth
France
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 116
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