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15:48 Jul 22, 2005
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French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Bus/Financial - Human Resources
French term or phrase: en externe
La Direction prend l'engagement de proposer à chaque personnes un poste de l’entreprise, du groupe ou en externe.

This document has to do with the upcoming reorganization and site move, and is talking about the different measures the company wishes to extend to all employees affected by this.

I just can't find this exact term anywhere, but I know that it has a specific meaning, as a "poste en externe" is the opposite of "poste en interne". I'm thinking one is an actual position in a company (en interne), and the other is a consultant-type position (en externe). Am I on the right track here? Any good suggestions on the best way to work this? Thanks in advance.
United States
Local time: 01:30

Summary of answers provided
4 +6outplacement or position outside the company or division/group
Elizabeth Lyons
4 +1with a subsidiary
Tamara Salvio
4in another companyJane Lamb-Ruiz

Discussion entries: 1



51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
outplacement or position outside the company or division/group

This simply sounds like finding a position outside the company as in outplacing the individual/group of individuals outside a department or the entire organization.

Note added at 53 mins (2005-07-22 16:41:42 GMT)

Often in reorganizations personnel are duplicative or positions are eliminated and HR tries to find or place the employee so he isn\'t on the beach, so to speak.

Note added at 56 mins (2005-07-22 16:44:41 GMT)

Analyse et Action Mobilité interne et externe - [ Translate this page ]Mobilité externe : OUTPLACEMENT INDIVIDUEL, CELLULE DE RECLASSEMENT, ACCOMPAGNEMENT À LA CRÉATION D\'ENTREPRISE, ESSAIMAGE, PORTAGE SALARIAL. ...
www.ouestfrance-emploi.com/scripts/consult/ plaquette/detail.asp?IN_PLA_id=84&IN_TEN_id=1 - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

Note added at 57 mins (2005-07-22 16:45:36 GMT)

MOBILITE EXTERNE OUTPLACEMENT CONSEIL ET DEVELOPPEMENT EUROPEIA - [ Translate this page ]LA MOBILITE EXTERNE / L\' OUTPLACEMENT. Faire d’un échec un tremplin professionnel Lorsque l’entreprise ne peut plus offrir de possibilité de collaboration à ...
www.europeia.fr/outplacement.html - 13k - Cached - Similar pages

Note added at 58 mins (2005-07-22 16:46:38 GMT)

Arnold Hartpence et associés, coaching, bilan compétences ... - [ Translate this page ]Coaching; Bilan de compétences; Outplacement Individuel; Outplacement collectif; Repositionnement interne / externe; Réorientation de carrière ...
www.hartpence-associes.com/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

Note added at 4 hrs 29 mins (2005-07-22 20:17:44 GMT)

Per Jane\'s comment. I am not implying a formal outplacement service from an outside outplacement firm. Just finding another position for a redundant employee. Right?

Note added at 4 hrs 35 mins (2005-07-22 20:24:17 GMT)

In that case, wouldn\'t you then say, \"offering them a new POSITION\", regardless of where? I almost feel it is splitting hairs anyway, given that where the asker started was the concept of consultancy which we all agree was incorrect. Poste, certainly implies position but I think all of that is subsumed under the general concept of what I said which was \"outplacement or position outside the company or division or group\". In fact, it could be any of that, I am not sure we know given the info we had to work with. : )

Elizabeth Lyons
United States
Local time: 22:30
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
16 mins
  -> Vicky, thanks : )

agree  Nick Lingris: I think, simply, "a position within the company or the group, or outside the company". :-}
17 mins
  -> Yes, exactly. Thanks Nick :)

agree  Charlie Bavington: yep. Certainly nothing to do with consultancy per se.
21 mins
  -> I agree with you on that, thanks so much Charlie!

agree  Philippe Maillard
30 mins
  -> Grata, Philipe : )

agree  moya
49 mins
  -> Moya, thanks so much : )

neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: This is actually offering them a job opportunity..outplacement is the service offered by the booting company to the booted person.. not sure that they mean that here..see what I mean? They may also offer them outplacement services..see what I mean? :)
2 hrs
  -> Outta room here, see new comment above. See my first sentences, I think I say outside the department or company, finding them another position as corp HR often does. Arent we saying the same thing you and I? : )

agree  John Kelly: I concur
5 hrs
  -> Thanks, John. : )
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
in another company

a position in the company or parent company or another company

they are laying off people: they promise either in-house jobs..either in the company or parent company or in another company...

un poste en externe..here is in another company..

Note added at 4 hrs 33 mins (2005-07-22 20:21:37 GMT)

a poste en interne..is a position in the company...a poste en externe in my mind would then be a position outside the company, which may well be found through the good graces of an outplacement service or department..but, I don\'t believe the term Poste en externe means outplacement per se..

Note added at 4 hrs 49 mins (2005-07-22 20:37:54 GMT)

Hi Elizabeth: You may have reason...only thing,,parent company..or holding company..cheers..:)

Note added at 4 hrs 49 mins (2005-07-22 20:38:19 GMT)

Note to others: have reason is joke..just so it is not misunderstood

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 135
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
with a subsidiary

In multinational lingo, "En extern" is often used to refer to a group's subsidiaries...

Témoignage RESOURCES HUMAINES ... J’entretiens des contacts quotidiens avec les membres du personnel en interne et le management des filiales en externe... http://jobs.daimlerchrysler.be/fr/carrieres/te_resources.htm...

I agree with Jane that this is not an "outplacement" situation, which usually means putting one in contact with headhunters, etc. My thinking is that the company is offering equivalent placement within the company, the group, or a subsidiary...

Sittings - [ Traduire cette page ]
... or any subsidiary thereof, in its commercial activities by a person who is a member of or employed by the company, group or subsidiary; and ...
http://www.parlzim.gov.zw/Resources/Acts/web pages/title13/c...

Tamara Salvio
United States
Local time: 22:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: Oh..right....but there are three types: enterprise, groupe and externe..so now what? but I see what you mean. Only thing is group...I can't buy it 'cause the Ft doesn;t use it. The FT is my rule maker..:)
3 hrs
  -> Thanks... see how the second reference is worded: "...or employed by the company, group or subsidiary;" A nice English parallel for "entreprise, groupe ou en externe" if you accept that "en externe" refers to a "filiale" which is likely the case...

neutral  Elizabeth Lyons: This was why I said, right up front, outside the department or division -- not necessarily with a headhunter at all.
11 hrs
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