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tout premier plan

English translation: most prestigious

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French term or phrase:tout premier plan
English translation:most prestigious
Entered by: Jason Willis-Lee

11:33 Aug 3, 2004
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - IT (Information Technology)
French term or phrase: tout premier plan
IT Project for hospital information systems...

Le groupe de travail du projet rassemble des établissements de tout premier plan
Jason Willis-Lee
Spain
Local time: 10:06
leading
Explanation:
I have translated many times the other way around - ie Eng > Fr - like this.

Leading, the (very) best, most successful, maybe in IT "cutting edge". Debatable what is appropriate if the "etablissements" are hospitals, "most efficiently run" perhaps.

HTH.

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\"cutting-edge\" with a dash I think that should be.

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Note added at 9 mins (2004-08-03 11:42:27 GMT)
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\"Leaders in their fields\" I think is good, sans fausse modestie, heh heh !

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\"Our satisfied client list already includes many of the largest and most prestigious hospitals\"

www.worksafetech.com/pages/Hospitals.html

856 hits on Google, much more specific than \"leading\" which is perhaps a bit bland.

OK, I\'ll leave it at that then and do some real work!

HTH.

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Note added at 41 mins (2004-08-03 12:15:06 GMT)
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One last comment: \"premier plan\" translates as \"leading\" the \"tout\" with it requires something extra, and as you can\'t say \"very leading\", perhaps \"most prestigious\" is good: implies that they are a level above the \"leading\" hospitals, a division above.
Selected response from:

Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 10:06
Grading comment
Many thanks Conor!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +4leading
Conor McAuley
5 +2leading/front-line establishments
mckinnc
5foremost hospitals or premier hospitals
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
4of the first order
swisstell
4top-tier
Sara Freitas


Discussion entries: 4





  

Answers


8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
of the first order


Explanation:
my take

swisstell
Italy
Local time: 10:06
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sara Freitas: sounds a bit archaic
4 mins
neutral  Conor McAuley: I agree with Sara
16 mins
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
leading/front-line establishments


Explanation:
How I would deal with it

maybe just hospitals instead of establishments if that is what is clearly being referred to

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Note added at 29 mins (2004-08-03 12:02:23 GMT)
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In response to your clarification, maybe something like \"in the country\'s leading/top hospitals\" would work then.

mckinnc
Local time: 10:06
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 62

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sara Freitas: yes, need to know what the establishments are...leading sounds good to me
5 mins
agree  mcguegan
5 mins
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
9 mins
disagree  Conor McAuley: OK with "leading" but "front-line establishments" for me means people who have to deal with a problem first, ie in the health care system, doctors and nurses in hospitals. Google "front-line establishments" and you will see this is true.
19 mins
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
leading


Explanation:
I have translated many times the other way around - ie Eng > Fr - like this.

Leading, the (very) best, most successful, maybe in IT "cutting edge". Debatable what is appropriate if the "etablissements" are hospitals, "most efficiently run" perhaps.

HTH.

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Note added at 8 mins (2004-08-03 11:41:46 GMT)
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\"cutting-edge\" with a dash I think that should be.

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Note added at 9 mins (2004-08-03 11:42:27 GMT)
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\"Leaders in their fields\" I think is good, sans fausse modestie, heh heh !

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Note added at 33 mins (2004-08-03 12:06:23 GMT)
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\"Our satisfied client list already includes many of the largest and most prestigious hospitals\"

www.worksafetech.com/pages/Hospitals.html

856 hits on Google, much more specific than \"leading\" which is perhaps a bit bland.

OK, I\'ll leave it at that then and do some real work!

HTH.

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Note added at 41 mins (2004-08-03 12:15:06 GMT)
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One last comment: \"premier plan\" translates as \"leading\" the \"tout\" with it requires something extra, and as you can\'t say \"very leading\", perhaps \"most prestigious\" is good: implies that they are a level above the \"leading\" hospitals, a division above.

Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 10:06
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 39
Grading comment
Many thanks Conor!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  mcguegan
7 mins
  -> Thanks
agree  Sara Freitas: leading sounds good for IT, we need to know if it is the hospitals or not, though.
7 mins
  -> Thanks
neutral  Allan Jeffs: I disagree with "cutting-edge" Conor. It's a good term to describle state-of-the-art technology but not to describe "établissements". Yes, or "prominent" or "forerunners in IT"
9 mins
  -> True, true. I suppose "cutting-edge" does not necessarily mean that a company is successful, cf IT start-ups. I think "leading" works well for both hospitals and IT companies, as it's a general term.
agree  GILLES MEUNIER: leading
21 mins
  -> Thanks Gilles
agree  Calou: yes for "leading"
56 mins
  -> Thanks calou (although I now think "most prestigious" works better now, because of the "tout" modifier!
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): i really think it's foremost....don't disagree with me...disagree with all the hits...i never said it can't be leading. you think I don';t know that?? Leading is just overused but it is correct.
3 hrs
  -> No. "Foremost" is simply a more pompous way of saying "leading". Translation is often a question of personal preference as to words and what you feel is right. You don't think there are any hits for "leading" or "most prestigious"? Ahahahaha.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
foremost hospitals or premier hospitals


Explanation:
or
most prestigious, as has already been said...

technology language is to be avoided here..

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Note added at 3 hrs 33 mins (2004-08-03 15:07:07 GMT)
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If Harvard says it, it must be right......right?



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Note added at 3 hrs 34 mins (2004-08-03 15:07:53 GMT)
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By the way, that comment is meant with a grain of salt..it does not reflect what I believe..it reflects what i see...

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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 206
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
top-tier


Explanation:
top-tier facilities, maybe?

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...if it is in fact the hospitals we are referring to...

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Note added at 4 hrs 51 mins (2004-08-03 16:25:15 GMT)
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http://www.detnews.com/2002/wayne/0204/08/c03-458957.htm
Certification: Named a \"top tier\" hospital by Blue Cross Blue Shield.


Sara Freitas
France
Local time: 10:06
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X): top tier is very technological sounding, IMO, to characterize a hospital
4 hrs
  -> If Blue Cross uses it, it's good enough for me!
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