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Toute lettre recommandée sera reputée reçue et produira effet

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20:02 Dec 20, 2011

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French term or phrase: Toute lettre recommandée sera reputée reçue et produira effet

des sa premiere presentation.

Hello everyone,
This is from a service contract outlining conditions for termination for breach and I am unsure of the translation for "presentation".
I have attempted:
"Any registered letter shall be deemed as received and shall produce its effects from the moment of its first submission".

I am wondering whether they are referring to the physical act of sending the letter, or somehow "presenting" a proof/receipt of the registered letter being posted.

I thank you all for any suggestions!

Ladda McLaren KudoZ activity Questions: 11 (none open) Answers: 4
Local time: 13:34

English translation:See explanation

Explanation:
What they mean is that it shall be deemed to be recieved and have effect from the time of the first attempt to deliver (ie if you're not at home they leave a notice telling you to pick it up at the post office, etc)

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Note added at 10 hrs (2011-12-21 06:09:23 GMT)
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Wikipedia:
"la remise contre signature, qui apporte une preuve de présentation et/ou de distribution"
i.e. présentation is clearly part of the DELIVERY and not the posting process. If for some reason the registered letter gets lost under way, it will NOT be deemed to be received. It is not a question of posting is proof of delivery

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Note added at 10 hrs (2011-12-21 06:09:57 GMT)
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Sorry. Wikepidia reference:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettre_recommandée_avec_avis_de...

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Note added at 11 hrs (2011-12-21 07:40:26 GMT)
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To asker: It would have helped if you'd put the last four words into the question proper, since the discussion showed taht these included the key words.

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David Wright
Austria
Local time: 20:34

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Thanks for everyone's advice on this point!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +4

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David Wright

Every registered letter shall be deemed to have been received and shall take effect

Wordwatcher

5 -4

a proof/receipt of the registered letter being posted.

Michelburt

Discussion entries: 2

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36 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -4

Toute lettre recommandee sera reputee recue et produira effet a proof/receipt of the registered letter being posted.

Explanation:
It is a proof/receipt of the registered letter being posted.

Michelburt
Local time: 14:34
Native speaker of:

English,

French

13 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

Toute lettre recommandee sera reputee recue et produira effet

See explanation

David Wright
Austria
Local time: 20:34
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 52

Grading comment

Thanks for everyone's advice on this point!

Notes to answerer

Asker: Sorry for responding so late, David. I agree, it would have been clearer, but for some reason it didn't allow me to continue writing the whole question in the box and I had to extend the phrase into the next section. I found the discussion very helpful, and I would have to agree that delivery seems to be the key issue here. Thanks so much for your help!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

B D Finch

28 mins

-> Thanks

agree

Tony M

30 mins

-> Thanks Tony, much appreciated

agree

writeaway: yes, this is fairly standard stuff in the trade. I frankly don't understand the disagree.

2 hrs

-> Thanks writeaway

disagree

AllegroTrans: NO: proof of sending by registered post = deemed proof of receipt, might be a "dodgy concept" (cf. BD Finch) but it's standard procedure; there is nothing about "attempts to deliver" - that's an irrelevance here

2 hrs

-> It might be standard procedure but I don't see how it derives from the French présentation, and even moer so première présentation.

agree

Jack Przybylski: "Première présentation" does indeed refer to the attempt to deliver by the French post office, AllegroTrans obviously hasn't lived here...

6 days

agree

rufinus: yes, it's the attempt to deliver. Requested clarification: for those of you in Britain, isn't the the modern UK equivalent of 'registered letter' 'by recorded delivery' while LRAR would be 'by recorded delivery (signed for)'...

7 days

11 hrs confidence:

Every registered letter shall be deemed to have been received and shall take effect

Explanation:
It matters not whether the letter is actually received - this is a deeming provision involving a legal fiction (and the asker's phrase makes no mention of an accusé de reception - if it did the position would be different). Under the still valid 19th century "postal acceptance rule" acceptance is deemed to take place when the acceptance is posted, not when it is received.

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Note added at 1 day11 hrs (2011-12-22 07:05:42 GMT)
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Every registered letter shall be deemed to have been received and shall take effect from the date of the first attempted delivery.

Reference: http://WWW.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/P/PostalRule.aspx

Wordwatcher
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:34
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 16

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Dec 21, 2011 - Changes made by Yolanda Broad:
Term asked	Toute lettre recommandee sera reputee recue et produira effet => Toute lettre recommandée sera reputée reçue et produira effet

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