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sous tous régimes

English translation: under all customs systems


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17:59 Apr 25, 2011
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Taxation & Customs
French term or phrase: sous tous régimes
This is in a criminal judgment and is the name of the offence committed:

"il a importé sous tous régimes douaniers des marchandises présentés sous une marque contrefaite"

does this mean using various customs procedures? using any customs procedures? regardless of the customs procedure used?
Jane RM
France
Local time: 20:37
English translation:under all customs systems
Explanation:
Here, I would argue in favour or "tous" not meaning 'any' or 'various' but 'all'. There are three basic customs régimes available to a company which imports/exports its goods. Just as there are « régimes matrimoniaux » and « régimes fiscaux », there are « régimes douaniers ». They represent a corpus of rules and regulations which a company elects when importing/exports its goods. There are currently three possible systems.

1 - http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=224

Les régimes suspensifs douaniers et fiscaux (entrepôt, admission temporaire, etc.)
Les régimes douaniers économiques (généralités)
• Qu'est-ce qu'un régime douanier économique ?
• Quels sont les avantages que procurent ces régimes ?
• Quelles sont les conditions pour bénéficier de ces régimes ?
Les régimes douaniers économiques satisfont aux trois fonctions essentielles des entreprises : l' entreposage des marchandises (régime de l'entrepôt ou de la zone franche), l'utilisation (régime de l'admission temporaire, l'exportation temporaire/les retours, la destination particulière), la transformation (régime du perfectionnement actif ou passif et la transformation sous douane).




2 - http://www.businesspme.com/article/Strategie/910/les-r-mes-d...

Les régimes douaniers

Au moment d'opter pour l'exportation de marchandises, il est primordial de se renseigner sur les conditions de douane qui y sont associées. A l'heure actuelle, la douane connaît une évolution considérable compte tenu de la libéralisation des échanges et de l'internationalisation croissante de l'activité économique.

Q'appelle t-on « régime douanier » ?

Le régime douanier est un statut juridique donné à la marchandise à l'issue de son dédouanement. Il détermine si les droits et taxes seront acquittés ou non, si les contrôles du commerce extérieur seront accomplis ou non…

Il existe trois types de régimes douaniers : le régime commun, le transit et les régimes économiques.



3 -http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?r.l1=10797...

Cf. « Customs procedures and systems”



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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-04-26 12:31:59 GMT)
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Dear Allegortrans
The very point of my post is that there are three régimes, three types of procedure, with sub-categories. See above.
Unless the French is sloppy, the very point of the original is that the defendant has imported goods under "tous régimes douaniers". Read the refernces in detail and that reading will become clear. The original does not say "sous tout régime" nor "divers régimes"...!

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-04-26 12:40:39 GMT)
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For example, from above :

"Le régime douanier est un statut juridique donné à la marchandise à l'issue de son dédouanement. Il détermine si les droits et taxes seront acquittés ou non, si les contrôles du commerce extérieur seront accomplis ou non…

Il existe trois types de régimes douaniers : le régime commun, le transit et les régimes économiques."

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Note added at 1 day14 hrs (2011-04-27 08:27:02 GMT)
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If the final readers are likely to be native and non-native speakers of English, this may influence the choice of word between system/procedure/régime... translation is often a trade-off!
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 20:37
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2under all customs systems
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4using various customs procedurescc in nyc
3under customs procedure/sliz askew


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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sur tous régimes
under customs procedure/s


Explanation:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sous tous régimes douaniers...

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Note added at 18 mins (2011-04-25 18:18:15 GMT)
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sorry
under any customs procedure/s

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:37
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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52 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
sous tous régimes douaniers
using various customs procedures


Explanation:
That's my version.

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Note added at 55 mins (2011-04-25 18:55:31 GMT)
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Oh, I should have mentioned... It's your version too! (That is, the first one that you mentioned.)
And now I see that "various" figures in philgoddard's version too. :-)

cc in nyc
Local time: 14:37
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
sur tous régimes
under all customs systems


Explanation:
Here, I would argue in favour or "tous" not meaning 'any' or 'various' but 'all'. There are three basic customs régimes available to a company which imports/exports its goods. Just as there are « régimes matrimoniaux » and « régimes fiscaux », there are « régimes douaniers ». They represent a corpus of rules and regulations which a company elects when importing/exports its goods. There are currently three possible systems.

1 - http://www.douane.gouv.fr/page.asp?id=224

Les régimes suspensifs douaniers et fiscaux (entrepôt, admission temporaire, etc.)
Les régimes douaniers économiques (généralités)
• Qu'est-ce qu'un régime douanier économique ?
• Quels sont les avantages que procurent ces régimes ?
• Quelles sont les conditions pour bénéficier de ces régimes ?
Les régimes douaniers économiques satisfont aux trois fonctions essentielles des entreprises : l' entreposage des marchandises (régime de l'entrepôt ou de la zone franche), l'utilisation (régime de l'admission temporaire, l'exportation temporaire/les retours, la destination particulière), la transformation (régime du perfectionnement actif ou passif et la transformation sous douane).




2 - http://www.businesspme.com/article/Strategie/910/les-r-mes-d...

Les régimes douaniers

Au moment d'opter pour l'exportation de marchandises, il est primordial de se renseigner sur les conditions de douane qui y sont associées. A l'heure actuelle, la douane connaît une évolution considérable compte tenu de la libéralisation des échanges et de l'internationalisation croissante de l'activité économique.

Q'appelle t-on « régime douanier » ?

Le régime douanier est un statut juridique donné à la marchandise à l'issue de son dédouanement. Il détermine si les droits et taxes seront acquittés ou non, si les contrôles du commerce extérieur seront accomplis ou non…

Il existe trois types de régimes douaniers : le régime commun, le transit et les régimes économiques.



3 -http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?r.l1=10797...

Cf. « Customs procedures and systems”



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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-04-26 12:31:59 GMT)
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Dear Allegortrans
The very point of my post is that there are three régimes, three types of procedure, with sub-categories. See above.
Unless the French is sloppy, the very point of the original is that the defendant has imported goods under "tous régimes douaniers". Read the refernces in detail and that reading will become clear. The original does not say "sous tout régime" nor "divers régimes"...!

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-04-26 12:40:39 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

For example, from above :

"Le régime douanier est un statut juridique donné à la marchandise à l'issue de son dédouanement. Il détermine si les droits et taxes seront acquittés ou non, si les contrôles du commerce extérieur seront accomplis ou non…

Il existe trois types de régimes douaniers : le régime commun, le transit et les régimes économiques."

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Note added at 1 day14 hrs (2011-04-27 08:27:02 GMT)
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If the final readers are likely to be native and non-native speakers of English, this may influence the choice of word between system/procedure/régime... translation is often a trade-off!

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 20:37
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
Selected automatically based on peer agreement.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: provided the text is from France (or a country operating its customs the same way) your explanation has convinced me; good research
19 hrs

agree  rkillings: But why not stick with 'regimes'; cf. http://www.marks-clerk.com/uk/attorneys/news/newsitem.aspx?i... Esp. if the 'régime' is actually a 'statut' of the merchandise itself!
1 day2 hrs
  -> Yep, régime is a possible solution. None the less, getting it straight from the HM horse's mouth, the term system is used in a specific and identical way, referring to the status under which the merchandise is conveyed/moved...
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Changes made by editors
Apr 26, 2011 - Changes made by Stéphanie Soudais:
Term askedsur tous régimes => sous tous régimes
Apr 25, 2011 - Changes made by writeaway:
Field (specific)Law (general) => Law: Taxation & Customs


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