French: ...avec cette circonstance que les faits ont été commis ....English translation: with the additional circumstance that the acts were committed 
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| GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW) | | French term or phrase: | ...avec cette circonstance que les faits ont été commis .... | | English translation: | with the additional circumstance that the acts were committed | | Entered by: | Eutychus |
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Law/Patents - Law (general) / Criminal law | | French term or phrase: ...avec cette circonstance que les faits ont été commis .... | | It's the 'avec cette circonstance que' which I'm querying. It's in a court order referring to what the prisoners are accused of. The sentence starts off saying that they have imported prohibited substances and then ends with this phrase. I have never seen 'circonstance' used with 'avec' and just translating it as 'in these circumstances' doesn't make sense. I wondered if it's a specific legal use. |
| | Clarification request(s) and responseAllegroTrans: 2:50pm Aug 17, 2007: Thanks for the explanation, but could you laso please paste in the actual French text containing the term - it's hard to visualise it all without this!
Anneliese Garvie: 3:48pm Aug 17, 2007: 'importé sans déclaration préalable des marchandises prohibées, ..., avec cette circonstance que les faits ont été commis en bande organisée.' Hope this gives a bit more context.
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| | with the additional circumstance that the acts were committed | Explanation:
This means there is an additional circumstance which makes the charge more serious (such as committing the acts as part of an organised gang or a repeat offence). You will find lots of gHits for my phrase, see also Wikipedia entries below.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-08-17 15:59:24 GMT)
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I'm glad (I think) that my original guess as to the additional circumstance was correct...
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Note added at 23 hrs (2007-08-18 13:06:36 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks. It may help you to know that the import of this is very probably that with this circumstance, the charges can be tried in an "assises" court as opposed to "correctionnel", which means the prisoners can be kept on remand for longer. "Bande organisée" is a favourite charge by "juges d'instruction" to this end. |
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| Note from asker to answererThanks. I think that this seems to explain it well.
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| with the additional circumstance that the acts were committed
Explanation:
This means there is an additional circumstance which makes the charge more serious (such as committing the acts as part of an organised gang or a repeat offence). You will find lots of gHits for my phrase, see also Wikipedia entries below.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-08-17 15:59:24 GMT)
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I'm glad (I think) that my original guess as to the additional circumstance was correct...
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Note added at 23 hrs (2007-08-18 13:06:36 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks. It may help you to know that the import of this is very probably that with this circumstance, the charges can be tried in an "assises" court as opposed to "correctionnel", which means the prisoners can be kept on remand for longer. "Bande organisée" is a favourite charge by "juges d'instruction" to this end.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstance
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| Note from asker to answerer| Thanks. I think that this seems to explain it well. |
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