établissement

English translation: place of business

10:52 Jul 14, 2008

French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / company registration form

French term or phrase: établissement

A French government 'Cerfa' form.

I originally thought 'établissement' was the 'company' but this doesn't seem to be quite as straightforward as I hoped...

It starts with 'personne morale' and then deals with the 'établissement' - which I first took to mean the 'place' the company was set up but I'm starting to have doubts.

établissement principal
établissement secondaire
ancien établissement

Si maintien d'une activité, de ce fait, l'établissement est Siège - Principal - Secondaire.

établissement crée ou modifié
etc

Any guidance on what the distinction between the 'personne morale' and 'établissement' is would be most welcome as well as a translation. Thanks!

The form can be viewed / downloaded here:
http://reseaucfe.inpi.fr/formulaires/pdf/m2.pdf

Alain Pommet KudoZ activity Questions: 148 (none open) (11 closed without grading) Answers: 1241
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English translation:place of business

Explanation:
Bridge's legal dictionary gives "principal office" for both "siège" and établissement principal" however for the former it also gives "registered office" and for the latter, "principal place of business" which seems to make sense in your context.
For example, a big shop might not have its registered office on the premises.

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Graham macLachlan
Local time: 04:21

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place of business

Graham macLachlan

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offices

transword

establishment

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offices

Explanation:
I think "établissement" means the offices/premises of the company i.e.

headquarters/registered office
secondary offices
former offices

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Note added at 29 minutos (2008-07-14 11:21:07 GMT)
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In the UK as far as I know, registered office and main office are the same. I would therefore put other/secondary offices for the second one in the list.

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place of business

Graham macLachlan
Local time: 04:21
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Thanks to everyone for their contributions - this answer seemed the most suitable this case.

1 hr confidence:

establishment

Explanation:
like it is, the building and the whole business set up

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Note added at 5 hrs (2008-07-14 16:17:35 GMT)
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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
es·tab·lish·ment Audio Help [i-stab-lish-muhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the act or an instance of establishing.
2. the state or fact of being established.
3. something established; a constituted order or system.
4. (often initial capital letter) the existing power structure in society; the dominant groups in society and their customs or institutions; institutional authority (usually prec. by the): The Establishment believes exploring outer space is worth any tax money spent.
5. (often initial capital letter) the dominant group in a field of endeavor, organization, etc. (usually prec. by the): the literary Establishment.
6. a household; place of residence including its furnishings, grounds, etc.
7. a place of business together with its employees, merchandise, equipment, etc.
8. a permanent civil, military, or other force or organization.
9. an institution, as a school, hospital, etc.
10. the recognition by a state of a church as the state church.
11. the church so recognized, esp. the Church of England.
12. Archaic. a fixed or settled income.

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Note added at 15 hrs (2008-07-15 02:13:04 GMT)
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main establishment, secondary establishment, prior establishment.

Speakering (X)
Native speaker of:

Macedonian,

Serbo-Croat
PRO pts in category: 2

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