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French term or phrase:	justiciable
English translation:	detainee
Entered by:	Nina Iordache

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14:48 Nov 13, 2009

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French term or phrase: justiciable

I found numerous translations but none seems to capture the meaning: a person who is detained waiting for the trial, or a person surveyed at domicile because he is confined there after perpetrating a crime.

Here is some context:

L'objet du marche (surveillance électronique des justiciables),

Nina Iordache KudoZ activity Questions: 789 (none open) (2 without valid answers) (7 closed without grading) Answers: 761 Romania
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detainee

Explanation:
in both your examples a person is being detained, "detainee" does have a vague political flavour which shouldn't be allowed to pollute its core meaning

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detainee
A person detained in custody
OED

Selected response from:

Graham macLachlan
Local time: 00:48

Grading comment

Thank you very much, Graham! Perhaps for my context, also: Person placed under curfew.
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Summary of answers provided

3 +4

detainee

Graham macLachlan

accused

Rosa Paredes

Summary of reference entries provided

persons/people awaiting trial

Martin Cassell

Discussion entries: 8

Nina Iordache

Romania

ASKER

11:00 Nov 15, 2009

Dear Martin.

You are also right, my problem is that after one context, another context appears during translation and so on...

Nina Iordache

Romania

ASKER

10:58 Nov 15, 2009

Dear Michael,

This is a general document so it does include different situations. I shall of course use detainee or person placed under surveillance which is also more general. Thank you for you comment, you are right. Sometimes it is difficult to encompass all contexts in a term...

Michael GREEN

France

Curfew

09:29 Nov 15, 2009

I continue to think that "detainee" is perfectly correct in this context, and to my mind "... or placed under curfew" is inappropriate here, because a curfew order merely forbids the person concerned from leaving their residence between certain hours, while a "person confined at domicile" is not permitted to leave his residence at all.

Martin Cassell

United Kingdom

I share michael's reaction

19:47 Nov 14, 2009

it's not clear whether you are seeking help for the term 'justiciables' or for some other more specific case which you have not completely disclosed.

Michael GREEN

France

@ Asker

18:35 Nov 14, 2009

Would you please clarify : in the context of the surveillance of "justiciables" (presumably with electronic bracelets) you define a "justiciable" as "a person who is detained awaiting trial" (or confined to their residence). I don't think this is the accepted meaning of the term (essentially, persons under the jurisdiction of the courts), and I think this is causing confusion. Some contributions do not integrate the idea of detention, because they correspond to the standard meaning.
What are you actually looking for? How important for your context is the "detention" aspect here?

Nina Iordache

Romania

ASKER

TO All:

22:13 Nov 13, 2009

Yes, in both cases! You are perfectly right. Thank you.

Rosa Paredes

Canada

@asker

19:58 Nov 13, 2009

If the person is in custody, he/she has already been charged, hence 'accused'.

Martin Cassell

United Kingdom

"surveyed at domicile"

15:10 Nov 13, 2009

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detainee

Graham macLachlan
Local time: 00:48
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 298

Grading comment

Thank you very much, Graham! Perhaps for my context, also: Person placed under curfew.

5 hrs confidence:

accused

Explanation:
Definition : 1. droit personne qui doit répondre de ses actes devant la justice ou les tribunaux (informer un justiciable de ses droits) ...
fr.encarta.msn.com/.../justiciable.html -
accused - Legal Definition
n. A person who is blamed for a wrongdoing. A person who has been arrested or formally charged by an indictment, information, or presentment with a crime. ...
www.yourdictionary.com/law/accused - Cached -

Rosa Paredes
Canada
Local time: 15:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 2

Reference comments

7 hrs

Reference: persons/people awaiting trial

Reference information:
in the absence of a single English term, this phrase is also commonly used in just this context ('persons' is more likely to be found in a legal document)

example at http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/subsection.asp?id=331

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@asker: I confess, I don't entirely see the problem. between being charged and the start of the trial, they are classed as "awaiting trial", regardless of whether they are on bail, or under some mode of detention/supervision.

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@asker: well, that may be so in the document, but the meaning of 'justiciable' does not itself include anything to do with mode of detention/surveillance

Martin Cassell
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 16

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thank you, Martin for the reference! My problem is that these guys in my context have probably been already charged and are simply "detained in their homes" ... Well, you do see my problem...

Asker: Well, actually, these persons have already been condemned to detention in their homes. SO they are more than "charged". Thank you very much for taking the trouble to explain. I shall probaly say: "persons placed under curfew" afterall... It is a long term in English but it perfectly conveys the idea, I think.

Asker: You are right, it means more things some of which may have nothing to do with my context...

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Changes made by editors

Nov 15, 2009 - Changes made by Nina Iordache:
Edited KOG entry	Nina Iordache's old entry - "justiciable" => "detainee or person placed under curfew (in my context)"
Nov 14, 2009 - Changes made by Nina Iordache:
Edited KOG entry	Nina Iordache's old entry - "justiciable" => "detainee"

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