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avocat postulant

English translation: lawyer

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French term or phrase:avocat postulant
English translation:lawyer
Entered by: Nikki Scott-Despaigne

14:15 Dec 2, 2001
French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Law/Patents
French term or phrase: avocat postulant
legal doc.

summons to appear at commercial court

"ayant pour avocat postulant Maitre..."
David Ward
candidate
Explanation:
It would be nice to know, for legal translations, what country the source text comes from, but "candidate" is a translation of "postulant".
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cheungmo
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Many thanks. This was all very helpful!
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Summary of answers provided
5 +1petitioning attorney
Mary Lalevee
4candidate
cheungmo
4applicant lawyer
Lise Boismenu, B.Sc.
4admitted to practice in [region or jurisdiction, if provided]
28march
4ooops...
Giuseppina Vecchia
4represented by Maître X of the [Paris] Bar
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4Do be careful with this one.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4 -1candidate
cheungmo


  

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candidate


Explanation:
It would be nice to know, for legal translations, what country the source text comes from, but "candidate" is a translation of "postulant".

cheungmo
PRO pts in pair: 339
Grading comment
Many thanks. This was all very helpful!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Incorrect in legal contexts
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candidate


Explanation:
It would be nice to know, for legal translations, what country the source text comes from, but "candidate" is a translation of "postulant".

cheungmo
PRO pts in pair: 339
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applicant lawyer


Explanation:
exp. en ressources humaines


Lise Boismenu, B.Sc.
Canada
Local time: 15:43
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in pair: 328

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Not just applicable to the applicant's lawyers in a case. The "avocat postulant" may be representing the defendant
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admitted to practice in [region or jurisdiction, if provided]


Explanation:
From the definition below, I think a close US equivalent would be "admitted to practice," which refers to having passed a state or federal bar exam which qualifies the attorney to practice before courts in that state or federal jurisdiction.

From http://www.immolegal.com/glossaire/Glo_P.htm#POSTULANT:

POSTULANT

Certaines professions juridiques ont le monopole de la représentation des plaidants devant les tribunaux, sur un certain espace territorial. On dit qu’elles ont le monopole de la postulation. Notamment en France, les Avoués et les Avocats.
Dans le titre des Avocats, il est donc courant de trouver la mention «postulant près le Tribunal de Grande Instance de...).

See also: http://www.simons-law.com/e/lb_f_e.htm


28march
United States
Local time: 12:43
PRO pts in pair: 19

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Getting warmer... it's to do with restrictions on rights of audience
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petitioning attorney


Explanation:
ie this is the lawyer that's representing the claimant.
HTH
Mary


    working in a French law firm
Mary Lalevee
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:43
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 318

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Giuseppina Vecchia: This one seems right to me in this contest.
2 hrs
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: But not necessarily, he could also be acting for the other side. "Attorney" US terminology. See below.
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ooops...


Explanation:
Of course I meant to say "context", not "contest":)

Giuseppina Vecchia
Italy
Local time: 21:43
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in pair: 24
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represented by Maître X of the [Paris] Bar


Explanation:
This is a very specific term to describe a very particular situation. This concerns what legal beagles refer to as "rights of audience". They determine which type of lawyer can represent clients in a given type of court, in a particular type of case etc. The additional feature here in relation to the English system anyway, is that there are geographical/administrative restrictions to those rights of audience in France. French “avocats” can only represent clients of the “bar” to which they are attached. If an “avocat” is acting for a client involved in a case which takes him beyond the courts in which he has rights of audience, then a colleague from the “bar” concerned has to be instructed. He is referred to as the “avocat postulant”.

http://www.cyber-avocat.com/rubriques/tribunaux/honoraires.h...
L'avocat a le droit de plaider sur tout le territoire français. Devant le tribunal de grande instance, si il est d'un autre barreau, il sera parfois obligé de s'attacher les services d'un avocat du lieu où se plaide votre affaire, que l'on appelle alors un avocat postulant et qui se chargera de déposer les actes de procédure. En principe cela ne devrait pas augmenter vos frais car les honoraires de postulation entrent dans les dépens. Que ce soit votre avocat ou le postulant, le montant est le même.

http://www.mieuxvivre.fr/consommation/99/main.htm
Postulant : Lorsque l’avocat que l’on choisit engage une procédure dans le ressort d’un autre barreau que le sien, il doit prendre sur place un avocat postulant. Les avocats ne peuvent postuler que devant le tribunal de grande instance du ressort de leur barreau.

For practical and economic reasons, the same thing does happen in England anyway.


Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 21:43
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 4638
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Do be careful with this one.


Explanation:
This has nothing to do with a candidate. It has everything to do with the very strict rules of rights of audience. Each French "avocat" is attached to a specific "bar" and cannot plead in courts which are outside his sector. Where this turns out to be necessary, when X has been instructed by his client, and the case takes him outside of his sector, then X has to instruct B to act. B is the "avocat postulant".

Lawyer yes, cousnel instructed to act, yes. Candidate, certainly not.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 21:43
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 4638
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