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08:44 Apr 2, 2008
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French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.) / interior panelling
French term or phrase: profil jointif
Are there any specialists in wood panelling/interior design out there?

This is a catalogue for wood panelling products and I am on a page that describes the different "profils" (shapes? profiles?) of panelling board available.

From looking at my Larousse, jointif seems to mean that they are joined together with no gap between them. My Collins Robert suggests "butt-jointed", but this seems a bit clumsy. Would "flush" be a possible choice?

Let me know your thoughts...
Philip Watterson
France
Local time: 03:13
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Summary of answers provided
5close panelled
B D Finch
4square shouldered joint
fourth
3random match panellingxxxEuqinimod
1jointing edge panelling
cjohnstone
1stick, wrong end of?xxxBourth


  

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jointing edge panelling


Explanation:
just vague ideas!

cjohnstone
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square shouldered joint


Explanation:
In other words: Not a rounded joint or one that leaves a gap between the shoulders, or a fancy joint. A flush tenon joint typically used for planking floors and some lambris

fourth
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: That could also be right, especially if an individual plank is being described.
32 mins
  -> yes...the thing is, BDF, As I see it, this catalogue is talking about just that, how they are jointed; (which involves 2 planks of course!)
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close panelled


Explanation:
"From the date of this decision the existing timber close panelled 2.1 m high. fence marked green on the approved plan shall be retained and maintained, ..."
www.ncdc.gov.uk/media/docs/ACF6D2.doc

According to Dicobat, jointif "qualifie un qsse,blqge de bois ... dont les éléments sont posés bord à bord, à plat joint ... GB: close."

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Note added at 48 mins (2008-04-02 09:33:44 GMT)
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Sorry, my keyboard slipped back to English: "qsse;blqge" is, of course "assemblage"!

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-02 10:11:43 GMT)
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The term is not only used for fencing:

"It has a moulded handrail of that period filled in below with **close panelling** instead of balusters. As no early plan of the house above the main floor ..."
www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65024

"Close panelling. Truss partition. Ornamental panelling. Panel Location: Internal (partition). External. Location in Building of Recorded Panels [sketch] ..."
www.tonygraham.co.uk/house_repair/Wattle_Daub_Conservation....

B D Finch
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stick, wrong end of?


Explanation:
I suppose you don't have pictures! It's just that the very word "profil" suggests that this is anything but(t) simple butt joints, but(t) rather tongue and groove, etc.

Look at the "profil jointif" of these floor boards for instance!

http://www.silverwood.fr/Commun_GP/Catalogue/Produits/Planch...

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-02 10:36:30 GMT)
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Actually, looking at ALL the illustrations on the site above, it would appear that "jointif" refers to the "edge" of the joint, so it means the surface across the joint is flat and unbroken, as opposed to the "moucheté" and "grain d'orge" details on the underside the boarding in the two lower pictures. So a "profil jointif" could be plain butt-jointed but could also be tongue and groove, on condition that the external faces are flat. Now, how do we say that ?

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-04-02 10:38:31 GMT)
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We have words like "quirk" and "V joint" for when the joint is NOT jointif.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-04-02 11:02:28 GMT)
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No help but ...

It is difficult to make a join in wood based panels such as MDF and Particleboard for wall paneling and not show the join. The slightest movement will show up and look unsightly so the best alternative is to make the join look attractive, and this can be achieved in many ways. The most common types of joint for wall paneling is a ‘V’ joint, a slip tongue joint or tongue and groove.
http://www.laminex.com.au/pdf/appenx/board_products.pdf

I started to consider "close jointed" but it appears that refers only to the width of any gap, and the edges can be chamfered (here for paving stones):
For ease and speed of laying the 400 range of flags may be laid close jointed (2-3 mm) with the chambered edges giving extra definition to the joints
http://www.roadstone.ie/resources/pdfs/Concrete_Paving.pdf

Similarly, "flush-jointed" does not appear to work:
The joints between adjoining pieces are usually v-shaped but flush jointed... these different joints and surface textures in tongue and groove cladding combine to provide a range of shadow line effects that enhance the product's versatility
http://www.cedaroutdoors.co.uk/Cedar_Cladding/Tongue__Groove...

However, it just might work :
Tongue & Groove T&G Siding is a best seller because of its versatility. It can be used indoors or outdoors, rough side or smooth side, installed horizontally, vertically or diagonally, to provide distinctly different looks. The board edges are usually "beveled" but other styles that include FLUSH-JOINTED, reveal and radius joints are also available. T&G siding has both a rough and smooth face and is graded to the rough face.
http://www.buffalo-lumber.com/siding-patterns.htm
(site has a number of illustrations,but none identified as "flush joint" unfortunately)

One of my dictionaries defines (and illustrates):
"straight joint ... In carpentry, a joint between two timbers which are laid edge to edge without a tongue and groove, dowels, or overlap to bind ther; also call a square joint"
Which don't work neither.

Maybe we need to get away from "joint" and go for something like "flush mating", "plain mating" ...


xxxBourth
Local time: 03:13
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Interestingly, your first link features pictures very similar to those in the catalogue I am translating. I alos have 'grain d'orge' on the same page, which my dictionaries tell me is a 'V-joint'. I'll try and send you a picture of what I'm talking about...

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random match panelling


Explanation:
Why not use the same phrase as for wallpapers, since you don't like butt-jointed. But you can also find "butt joint" in the GDT, though translated "plat-joint" which a synonym of "assemblage jointif". And the web gives hits galore.

xxxEuqinimod
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