French: billionEnglish translation: billion - 10(9) 
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Bus/Financial - Mathematics & Statistics | | French term or phrase: billion | Is this 10(9) or 10(12)?
Maybe the context would help:
En France, les associations de solidarité emploient plus de 430.000 personnes, parmi lesquelles des assistantes sociales et des infirmières. Elles gèrent quelque 23 billions d’euros, la majorité provenant de fonds publics. |
| | Clarification request(s) and responseCsaba Ban (asker): 1:19pm Mar 11, 2005: Hungarian - I am translating this text into Hungarian, but I asked it here because of larger visibility.
I have to decide between "billió" (10E12) or "milliárd" (10E9)
Glen McCulley: 1:23pm Mar 11, 2005: milliárd then - see teh guardian style guide for the explanation plus why, available online in pdf format:billion
one thousand million, not one million million
use bn in headlines;
in copy use bn for sums of money, quantities or inanimate objects: £10b -
Glen McCulley: 1:24pm Mar 11, 2005: that was supposed to eb a link:here's the original :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/page/0,5817,184840,00.h... -
Timothy Barton: 9:41pm Mar 11, 2005: Jennifer White: The French word "billion" means 10(12), but the author has clearly made a mistake and it's 10(9). Under the old system (which you are quoting), this would be 1000 million (UK) and 1 billion (US); under the modern system, this would be... -
Timothy Barton: 9:45pm Mar 11, 2005: 1 billion in both countries. Given your answer (trillion (US)), you were assuming it was 10(12), and my point was that 10(12) is called a trillion both in the US and in the UK. A billion in the UK no longer means 10(12) and always means 10(9). -
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| | billion - 10(9) | Explanation:
Europe has now accepted/adopted this 10 to the power nine (a thousand million) as standard to clear up the previous confusion...
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if it was 10(12) each person - nurse would be generating over 53 million euros which is plainly ridiculous
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http://europa.eu.int/comm/translation/writing/style_guides/e... - states that \"thousand million is officially recognized by teh European Commission\" |
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Glen McCulley
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| 10(12)
Explanation:
10 (12)
Petit Robert: million de millions, soit 10(12)
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In UK English: billion
billion n. m. billion
Définition :
Mille milliards, soit le chiffre 1 suivi de 12 zéros (1012).
. Note(s) :
Il existe une règle internationale de dénomination des grands nombres. Bien qu\'elle soit fortement recommandée par le Bureau international des poids et mesures, elle n\'a pas encore été adoptée par certains pays, dont les États-Unis. Ainsi, aux États-Unis, pour désigner 1012, on n\'utilise pas billion comme dans la majorité des pays, mais trillion. Aussi, afin d\'éviter toute confusion dans la dénomination des grands nombres, on tend de plus en plus à les exprimer en utilisant les puissances de 10, en l\'occurrence 1012.
www.granddictionnaire.com
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A \"billion\" in the U.S.A. means 1,000,000,000 (1e9); The British version of one billion means 1e12.
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/babar/269/205glo.html
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But now I see that according to the Cambridge dictionary, this is now called \"trillion\", so I am not so sure anymore...
billion [Show phonetics]
noun [C]
1 1 000 000 000:
Cosmetics is a billion dollar industry.
2 UK OLD-FASHIONED 1 000 000 000 000
NOTE: This number is now called a trillion.
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Since you \'re translating from French (into Hungarian, thus the English equivalent doesn\'t matter much here), you have to see what \"billion\" means in French. The Petit Robert, which I think we all agree is a more than reliable source, gives the following definition:
Les termes billion, trillion, quatrillion, quintillion et sextillion sont à éviter en raison des risques de confusion entre les nouvelles et les anciennes acceptions, encore en usage dans certains pays. 1. vx. Mille millions, soit 10(9) ->milliard, 2. (1948)MOD. Million de millions, soit 10(12) -> (téra).
The \"vx.\" (old) is Glen\'s proposal. Unless the author of your text wrote something wrong, the meaning is 10(12). Hope it a bit is clearer now.
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