tout-venant

English translation: general population

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French term or phrase:	tout-venant
English translation:	general population
Entered by:	Eric Bullington

16:08 Jul 1, 2007

French to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Medical (general) / published article on drug hypersensitivity

French term or phrase: tout-venant

From the first paragraph of a section entitled "Epidemiology":

"Après la rhinite et l'asthme, les réactions présumées liées à une hypersensibilité (HS) aux médicaments et substances biologiques représentent une cause fréquente de consultation en allergologie. Selon les données de la littérature, portant sur des patients tout-venant ou hospitalisés, la prévalence de ces réactions varie entre 3 % et 15 %."

I'm not sure if the meaning here is "untreated" or "unaffected" (or something altogether different). Any suggestions?

Thank you,

Eric

Eric Bullington KudoZ activity Questions: 67 (none open) (5 closed without grading) Answers: 27
Local time: 11:04

all or patients not selected according to predetermined criteria

Explanation:
http://dictionnaire.mediadico.com/traduction/dictionnaire.as...

it's a way of saying the patients were not selected for any particular characteristics
"all and sundry"

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I would tend not to think so, because in epidemiology "random" implies a deliberate method of obtaining a set of patients with an equal probability of hypersensitivity reaction (in this case) - whereas "tout venant", "all" or "unselected" would imply a lack of random-ness (In my epidemiology text, randomisation is defined as a procedure for assigning treatments to patients by chance)...
However, random and randomisation are not the same word, so it may just be a question of interpretation or nuance.

Selected response from:

Debbie Tacium Ladry
Local time: 11:04

Grading comment

Thanks Debbie, you got me on the right track. In the end, I decided that in this context the phrase "patients tout-venants" simply means "patients in general population". In fact, in most of the examples I found on the web, this is what the phrases refers to. Thanks for getting me on track.
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Summary of answers provided

5 +2

random

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3 +4

all or patients not selected according to predetermined criteria

Debbie Tacium Ladry

untreated

liz askew

Answers

16 mins confidence:

untreated

Explanation:
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XkmuOf8lccsJ:forum.word...

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XkmuOf8lccsJ:forum.word...

tout venants de plateau - plateau material, or deposits (franču ...tout venant is run-of-mine (ie, unsorted, untreated) material if you're actually mining it, but here it looks more like a description of the geology. ...
lav.proz.com/kudoz/466817 - 33k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

ApoStill n° 17- [ Translate this page ]... sur une cohorte de 23 patients « tout-venant » d'un cabinet d'ostéopathie. ... groups: a treated group (n=35) and a reference group untreated (n=35). ...
www.osteopathie-france.net/Formation/apostill17.htm - 42k - Cached - Similar pages

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:04
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 3189

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your help. Your first example is unrelated to the medical setting. Your second example is tricky. In fact, I think that here "tout-venants" refers to something along the lines of "unsorted" or "unscreened". It's used a little differently in my example. Thanks for contributing to a solution.

27 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

random

Explanation:
Means 'random' Eric , in the sense of unsorted patients

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Iraq
Local time: 17:04
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 296

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your help, Daniel. Random was my first guess, but after exhaustive research, I found that it means something more along the lines of "patients in the general population". I appreciate your help.

Asker: One additional remark: if you look at Liz's second example, I think you're on track in this example when you say "unsorted". But from an epidemiological perspective, it's important to note that there's a subtle but important difference between the concepts of random and unsorted.

12 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

all or patients not selected according to predetermined criteria

Debbie Tacium Ladry
Local time: 11:04
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 256

Grading comment

Notes to answerer

Asker: In this context, would you consider "not selected according to predetermined criteria" as being equal to "random"?

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