pas de point costo-musculaire

20:58 Apr 1, 2017 

Thanks for checking back in Sue! The more I read, the more I think that "renal angle tenderness" and "costovertebral angle tenderness" are used interchangeably. What is not used, is "costo-muscular angle tenderness."

17:26 Apr 1, 2017 

My only thoughts are the renal angle as defined in the slide presentation and elsewhere is a precise region lateral to the erector spinae which is palpated to detect the effects of kidney pathology. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wixEAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA175&lp...

The costovertebral angle I think incorporates this region but also incorporates the region adjacent to the vertebral column ie overlying the erector spinae so is arguably less precise. However I am not clear which is the preferred term clinically.

20:22 Mar 31, 2017 

I'm hesitating to close this because I would really like to nail down what this is. It seems that for the most part, "costo-muscular angle" is found in older texts. I'm wondering if using the muscle-rib relationship to locate (name) the angle has been replaced by using the vertebra-rib relationship to locate (name) the angle. Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Michael Barnett is probably correct to equate "PCM" with "CVA."

21:55 Mar 27, 2017 

Thanks to everyone for posting! And Sue - thanks in particular for the slide show reference!

21:19 Mar 27, 2017 

see slide 15
https://www.slideshare.net/reinaramesh/renal-system-history-...

21:16 Mar 27, 2017 

My understanding was that the renal angle was the angle between the lateral border of the erector spinae and the twelfth rib. I think this is identical to the definition of point costo-musculaire given here https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eHC9MDACpdQC&pg=PA131&lp... Isn't the costovertebral angle the angle between the vertebral column and the twelfth rib?

10:15 Mar 27, 2017 

The definitions I've seen of the renal angle match those of the point costo-musculaire. Costovertebral angle tenderness is listed as a synonym of renal angle tenderness here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/medgen/536421 for example

06:12 Mar 27, 2017 

point de côté n.
douleur ressentie autour des poumons notamment après un effort, un essouflement
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_de_côté