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English translation: petty officer/second master, Fusiliers

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13:05 Aug 21, 2011

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Social Sciences - Military / Defense / On a Cessation of Miltary Status certificate

French term or phrase: SM Fusil

On an 'Ordre de cessation de l'état militaire' the 'Grade et spécialité' is shown as 'SM FUSIL'

Any ideas please?

Ian Davies KudoZ activity Questions: 30 (none open) (2 without valid answers) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 432 Australia
Local time: 16:00

English translation:petty officer/second master, Fusiliers

Explanation:
Grades Marine Nationale française‏ - YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvOwFYaKUQY59 sec - 19 Apr 2011 - Uploaded by DRobberts
QMM Quartier maître maistrancier. SM Second maître. MT Maître # Officiers mariniers supérieurs. PM Premier maître. MP Maître principal ...

Le second maître est le premier grade d'officier marinier de la marine nationale en France

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_maître

''Second master'' is given in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Navy#Ranks_of_the_Nation...

''Petty officer'' is given at WR:

second maître nm petty officer

http://www.wordreference.com/fren/maître

''Petty officer'' is given here, also, as a translation for ''second maître'':

http://sites.google.com/site/motman/Home/information/navalra...

SM fusil seems to be a rank in the naval reserves in France. See:

http://ciramtoulon.free.fr/lettresapertoulon/NEWS RES novemb...

Note also that there are sailors bearing rifles in the first photo.

Also, Wikipedia states that fusiliers exist in today's French navy:

Only the French Navy and French Air Force use the title fusilier today. The navy's marines are known as fusiliers sailors (Fusiliers Marins) and the Air Force's ground infantry are known as Air Fusiliers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusilier#France

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clain
Local time: 02:00

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Summary of answers provided
4	Petty officer second class - French Marine corps	Michel F. Morin
2 +1	petty officer/second master, Fusiliers	clain
1 -1	Sergeant Major Fusiliers	Bashiqa

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This may be helpful...

Tony M

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3 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

Sergeant Major Fusiliers

Explanation:
Not at all my speciality, but an idea for starters

Bashiqa
France
Local time: 08:00
Native speaker of:

English

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

petty officer/second master, Fusiliers

clain
Local time: 02:00
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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Many thanks!

10 hrs confidence:

Petty officer second class - French Marine corps

Explanation:
Second maître is the lowest rank for non-commissioned officers in the French Navy - equivalent to "sergeant" in the Army (see Web.Ref.1) - such as "Petty Officer Second Class" in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Coast Guard, providing therefore the best equivalent (Web.Ref.2).
NOTA: Petty Officer Third Class is equivalent to a Corporal

"Fusil" refers to "fusilier marin commando" (AKA "Fusco") - the equivalent of US Marines. But since they are part of the Navy, they bear Navy ranks and marks. That's why I suggest "French Marine corps", to make this answer more easily understandable !

Reference: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grades_de_la_Marine_nationale
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_Officer_Second_Class

Michel F. Morin
France
Local time: 08:00
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 32

Reference comments

1 hr

Reference: This may be helpful...

Reference information:
...though seems to throw even further confusion into the ring!

Abréviations militaires (France) - Wikipédia
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abréviations_militaires_(France)

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... Régional des Affaires Civiles et Economiques de Défense et de Protection Civile; SM Section de mitrailleuses; SM Secrétaire Militaire; SM Second Maître ...

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Note added at 1 heure (2011-08-21 14:25:23 GMT)
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To add confusion, the sixth reference kindly provided by Clain mentions the abbreviation SM quite a lot, but in the témoignages at the end, the person quite specifically mentions 'sécretaire militaire' (though we don't know if there is any direct connection, of course!)

Tony M
France
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 22

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