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English translation: possible synonym 'guitare d'amour'

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15:14 Jun 2, 2011

French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Music

French term or phrase: guitare archet

Sonate pour arpeggione et piano en la mineur D.821
Parmi les nombreuses œuvres de musique de chambre de Franz Schubert, la sonate « Arpeggione » est la seule que les violoncellistes peuvent inscrire à leur répertoire.
Cette sonate a été écrite pour promouvoir les qualités d’un instrument d’existence éphémère: l’Arpeggione ou guitare archet, dérivé de la viole de gambe, ancêtre du violoncelle.

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English translation:possible synonym 'guitare d'amour'

Explanation:
You are maybe looking for a synonym of this. The arpeggione was also called the 'guitare d'amour' because it had such a mellow sound.

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Kirsten Bodart
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Local time: 08:01

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Summary of answers provided
4 +3	Arpeggione or bowed guitar	David Vaughn
5 -2	possible synonym 'guitare d'amour'	Kirsten Bodart

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2 seconds on the www. term is already explained in question

writeaway

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possible synonym 'guitare d'amour'

Explanation:
You are maybe looking for a synonym of this. The arpeggione was also called the 'guitare d'amour' because it had such a mellow sound.

Kirsten Bodart
Germany
Local time: 08:01
Native speaker of:

Dutch,

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

merci!

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neutral

writeaway: read the explanations in the refs. why replace one French term with another??? and do you have any refs to back your answer?

17 mins

-> Originally this was called 'guitare d'amour' by its own constructor. Why want a synonym at all, I can also ask in terms of the French text. I said, 'Possibility'. Look around and you will find.

disagree

David Vaughn: The translation is into English. I see no evidence the term has been used at all in English. Why replace one French term with another? Is "love" going to aid anyone's understanding?

1 hr

disagree

Tony M: As David and W/A have said, why replace one FR term with another, equally unknown one? Besides, this might lead to confusion with the 'viola d'amore'.

5 hrs

neutral

Jim Tucker: 5 CL doesn't jibe w/ "possibly"

1 day20 hrs

44 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Arpeggione or bowed guitar

Explanation:
Arpeggione is the term used in English

I wonder if the illogical "guitare archet" is actually used in French? Guitare à archet seems more reasonable - as the web confirms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFTz_2QzuE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOujjipuhtA

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-06-02 16:26:36 GMT)
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Googling "Arpeggione" + "bowed guitar" gives many authoritative hits.

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Note added at 1 hr (2011-06-02 16:36:18 GMT)
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You'll notice that on recordings of this piece by major musicians on major record labels, it is referred to as a "bowed guitar". I don't think that just because Jimmy Page also bows his guitar that a couple hundred years of music vocabulary is null and void.

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The New Grove Dictionary, the most authoritative music dictionary in English calls this a "bowed guitar".

This article on the instrument also uses the term:

http://www.discordia-music.com/Arpeggione_Project/the_arpegg...

David Vaughn
Local time: 08:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 176

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Kirsten Bodart: I would like to agree as this suggestion would be better than writing something altogether different, but this is also a method of playing the electric guitar. I think it would be confusing.

21 mins

-> Yes, indeed it is possible to use a bow on an electric guitar. But as the link I used showed, it is also another name for the arpeggione - see this link for example: http://www.amazon.com/Schubert-Arpeggione-Schumann-Popular-V...

agree

writeaway: just use Arpeggione. I don't agree with the disagree at all. /how can anyone disagree with Grove?

48 mins

-> According to Grove, both independent inventors (one from Vienna, the other from Pest) of the instruments called it a "bowed guitar". The name Arpeggione wasn't used for the instrument until about 50 years after Schubert's piece, named for the piece.

agree

Dieezah

1 hr

agree

Tony M: Absolutely! Thank you for those authoritative and convincing refs.

4 hrs

agree

rkillings: And since the Schubert piece is now always played on a different instrument, guitarist John Williams can be forgiven for performing it on a unbowed guitar -- with orchestra!

13 hrs

Reference comments

3 mins peer agreement (net): +3

Reference: 2 seconds on the www. term is already explained in question

Reference information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggione

L'arpeggione est un instrument à cordes frottées, joué à l'archet, à 6 cordes et accordé comme une guitare.

The arpeggione is a six-stringed musical instrument, fretted and tuned like a guitar, but bowed like a cello, and thus similar to the bass viola da gamba.photo The body shape of the instrument, is however more similar to a medieval fiddle than either the guitar or the bass viol.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpeggione

writeaway
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