French to English translations [PRO] Tech/Engineering - Photography/Imaging (& Graphic Arts)
French term or phrase:à proximité moyenne / à proximité réduite
This is from a patent for a method to automatically detect and correct red eye in a photograph. Is this "close vicinity" (or "close proximity") and "immediate vicinity" (or "immediate proximity"), or am I missing something?
"validations ou rejet (102B) du candidat d’œil rouge en fonction de critères de taille (702), de forme (704) et de présence de peau ***à proximité moyenne (705) et réduite*** (706) dudit candidat;"
"le critère de présence de peau ***à proximité moyenne*** du candidat d’œil rouge utilise un premier modèle calorimétrique de peau vaste (MP1) déterminant les zones correspondant à de la peau"
"le critère de présence de peau ***à proximité réduite*** du candidat d’œil rouge utilise un deuxième modèle calorimétrique de peau (MP2) restreint, obtenu par apprentissage des couleurs de la peau, déterminant le teint de la peau de l’individu"
Explanation: Just to confirm my support for jennifer's own suggestion, and to give me the opportunity of posting the refs. requested by Helen.
Here are just 2 out of the 438,000 potentially relevant Google hits i got from my first, quick search:
Image analysis and processing: 8th International Conference, ICIAP ...
by Carlo Braccini, Leila DeFloriani, Gianni Vernazza - 1995 - Computers - 757 pages
image intensity of the pixel (i, j) in the next image frame Z SE : search area ... even for a pixel in the vicinity of which there are few salient features. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=3540602984...
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Method for recognizing objects in an image pixel plane - Patent ...
Another example where an automatic image analysis method is employed is in the .... In order to ascertain the homogeneity of a pixel point vicinity that is ...
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there is a subtle nuance of meaning here that absolutely requires in-depth knowledge of the subject area to understand, and facile examples from the Internet with fortuitous collocations are simply not authoritative enough in this kind of specialized field.
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Here is the text extract from my first ref. in the form of an image; I think it's worth psoting here, as it is so directly relevant to the concept of image recognition (albeit in a different field) — and despite the non-English sounding names of its authors, I have to say that I find the standard of the scientific EN used irreproachable.
Thanks to everyone for their insight. I'm a technie, but I have to admit that both suggestions sound convincing. I chose this one mainly because it's in line with my original suspicion. 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
Of course you're right — by all normal logic, that ought to be the sense; but somehow, instinctively, we've all read it the other way round, and I'm pretty sure that reading is correct.
I guess, strictly speaking, it ought to have been something like « proximité rapprochée ».
I don't doubt that you're both right, but how is it that this term comes to mean closer (*greater* proxmity) whereas, say, mobilité réduite means *lesser* mobility?
...in certain constructions, only 'proximity' can be used; but in the first example cited by Fiorsam, once again, we are talking about physical proximity, and it's really important to understand the subtlety of the difference here.
In Fiorsam's second example 'physical proximity' is a quite different concept, where 'vicinity' clearly couldn't work.
I have been working professionally in imaging technology for 30 years, as well as translating for some of the foremost, leading-edge companies and scientists working in the field of digital image processing.
but I disagree with Tony. I've been doing digital photography (including editing) since its inception, and I find "proximity" a perfectly acceptable terms within the context. See for example: "Remember the 4 pillars of good photography: ***Proximity***, Focus, Exposure, ... A digital image is made up of data called pixels, which are tiny squares. ...
www.fs.fed.us/rm/publications/authors.../photography_guidel..."
All the refs. you quote include the word 'proximity', and also incidentally mention 'red-eye' — but there is no specific, close connection between the two terms, and so they cannot be considered as highly relevant.
Your fourth patent ref. is more directly relevant, since it is indeed talking about image analysis, and refers to "close spatial proximity"; however, in this instance, the way the expression is being used would have precluded the use of 'vicinity' in any case, since one couldn't really say 'in close spatial vicinity'; in Jennifer's context, 'in the immediate / general vicinity' fits perfectly.
I agree that both terms are viable; but from my pretty extensive experience of digital image processing texts at a very advanced level [PhD], I feel that the important concept of 'neighbourhoods' etc. tips the balance firmly in favour of 'vicinity'.
I have to say I don't entirely agree with Helen's preference for 'proximity', and I certainly don't feel that 'vicinity' is "too general".
In all three refs. Helen kindly quotes, 'proximity' is being used in a general sense (i.e. not specifically related to red-eye itself: the first 2 refer to flash-to-lens axis distance, the third, to camera-to-subject distance), and describing a physical distance (measured in some number of centimetres, for example).
However, in your example of image analysis, the kind of 'proximité' involved is more like at pixel level — and it's not so much the actual distance involved as 'the quality of being nearby'; in image processing, we talk a lot about 'neighbouring' pixels and 'neighbourhoods', so I think that 'vicinity' is actually ideal here.
Helen Shiner United Kingdom Local time: 12:33 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 80
3 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
à proximité moyenne / réduite
in the general / immediate vicinity
Explanation: Just to confirm my support for jennifer's own suggestion, and to give me the opportunity of posting the refs. requested by Helen.
Here are just 2 out of the 438,000 potentially relevant Google hits i got from my first, quick search:
Image analysis and processing: 8th International Conference, ICIAP ...
by Carlo Braccini, Leila DeFloriani, Gianni Vernazza - 1995 - Computers - 757 pages
image intensity of the pixel (i, j) in the next image frame Z SE : search area ... even for a pixel in the vicinity of which there are few salient features. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=3540602984...
* * * *
Method for recognizing objects in an image pixel plane - Patent ...
Another example where an automatic image analysis method is employed is in the .... In order to ascertain the homogeneity of a pixel point vicinity that is ...
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 6 hrs (2009-08-02 13:35:32 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
there is a subtle nuance of meaning here that absolutely requires in-depth knowledge of the subject area to understand, and facile examples from the Internet with fortuitous collocations are simply not authoritative enough in this kind of specialized field.
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 15 hrs (2009-08-02 22:07:53 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
Here is the text extract from my first ref. in the form of an image; I think it's worth psoting here, as it is so directly relevant to the concept of image recognition (albeit in a different field) — and despite the non-English sounding names of its authors, I have to say that I find the standard of the scientific EN used irreproachable.
Tony M France Local time: 13:33 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 62
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Thanks to everyone for their insight. I'm a technie, but I have to admit that both suggestions sound convincing. I chose this one mainly because it's in line with my original suspicion.
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