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English translation: poetic charm

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French term or phrase:	l'allure poetique
English translation:	poetic charm
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16:26 Aug 13, 2011

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Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Michel de Montaigne

French term or phrase: l'allure poetique

J'aime l'allure poétique, à sauts et à gambades; c'est un art, comme dit Platon, léger, volage,

Would "poetic licence" do here?

J Nash

poetic charm

Explanation:
allure of poetry - why not?

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Wiki - Aristotle rectified an irrational absurdity in reasoning with empiricism using likelihood, “once the irrational has been introduced and an air of likelihood imparted to it, we must accept it in spite of the absurdity.[27] He claimed that absurdity in reasoning being veiled by charming language in poetry, “As it is, the absurdity is veiled by the ***poetic charm*** with which the poet invests it… But in the Epic poem the absurdity passes unnoticed.”[27]
The article follows with none other than:
Michel de Montaigne, father of the essay and modern skepticism, argued that the process of abridgement is foolish and produces absurdity, “Every abridgement of a good book is a foolish abridgement… absurdity [is] not to be cured… satisfied with itself than any reason, can reasonably be.”[

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kashew
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4 +2

the cadence of poetry

Timothy Rake

poetic agility/ lightness

piazza d

poetic charm

kashew

3 +1

poetic gait

clain

poetic deportment

Petitavoine

poetic rapture

reeny

poetical attitude

kirty koonjbeeharry

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Ref:

kashew

Montaigne parle de la facon dont il écrit les "Essais"

Petitavoine

original translation

Just Opera

Discussion entries: 2

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11 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

the cadence of poetry

Explanation:
... or "poetic cadence" or the "pace of poetry" or "rhythm of poetry." Certainly the use of "à sauts et à gambards" points more to the cadence of the language - something which I don't think "poetic license" gets at.

Timothy Rake
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peer agreement (net): +1

poetic gait

Explanation:
. I love the poetic gait, by leaps and gambols.

http://www.pdcnet.org/pages/Products/electronic/pdf/hartle.p...

clain
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PRO pts in category: 23

36 mins confidence:

poetic charm

kashew
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poetic rapture

Explanation:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=...

Just a thought..

reeny
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poetic agility/ lightness

Explanation:
... just a suggestion!

piazza d
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poetical attitude

Explanation:
I like the poetical attitude...

kirty koonjbeeharry
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French

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poetic deportment

Explanation:
Bon, je me suis prise au jeu.
Partant de l'étymologie de "allure" : au XVIe « façon de se comporter » 1532 (RABELAIS, Pantagruel, IV, 38) cf ATILF,
j'ai cherché un mot de la même période pour décrire le comportement ...
"deportment" a ses origines dans la même période et, comme allure, reste encore moderne :
- the manner in which a person behaves (Collins)
- Deportment adds the sense of action or activity to a mode of conduct or behavior; comportment, "behavior or bearing," does not have this. (the free dictionary, Farlex)

deportment
c.1600, from Fr. déportement, from déporter "behave" (see deport).

deport
late 15c., "to behave," from O.Fr. deporter "behave" (12c.), from de- "thoroughly, formally" + porter "to carry, bear oneself" (see port (3)). Original sense preserved in deportment.
http://www.etymonline.com/

Je trouve que cela se confirme avec http://www.douban.com/group/topic/9444692/
Milton's Response to Dante ?
où Milton dit qu'il n'aime pas les rimes (tout comme Montaigne n'aime pas les mots de liaison ...:
"The measure is English heroic verse without rhyme, as that of Homer in Greek and of Virgil in Latin; rhyme being no necessary adjunct or true ornament of poem or good verse, in longer works especially, but the invention of a barbarous age, to set off wretched matter and lame meter; graced indeed since then by the use of some famous modern poets, carried away by custom, but much to their own vexation, hindrance, and constraint to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse than else they would have expressed them. Not without cause therefore some both Italian and Spanish poets of prime note have rejected rhyme both in longer and shorter works, as have also long since our best English tragedies..."

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Milton's introductory note to Paradise Lost, simply and functionally labeled "The Verse," offers a brief explanation of his poetic deportment and defends his use of English "heroic verse."
likely to reveal more about critical taste than poetic deportment. In his apostrophe Goldsmith expresses toward Auburn, and the "na- ..

Petitavoine
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Reference comments

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Reference information:
Jacques Baron (1905–1986) was a French surrealist poet whose first collection of poems was published in Aventure in 1921. and a collection of poems, L’Allure poétique (1973).

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I though we might get a clue if the title had been translated into English.

kashew
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Reference: Montaigne parle de la facon dont il écrit les "Essais"

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Montaigne veut dire qu'il aime être un peu fantaisiste, embrouillé, son esprit vagabonde, fait des escapades, il aime "la vigueur et hardiesse poétique" et a horreur des textes pleins de mots de liaison qui endorment le lecteur.

Chapitre De la vanité :

Je m'égare, mais plutôt par licence que par mégarde. Mes fantaisies se suivent, mais parfois c'est de loin, ....Ils... ont une merveilleuse grâce à se laisser ainsi rouler au vent ... Les noms de mes chapitres n'en embrassent pas toujours la matière ...
J'aime l'allure poétique, à sauts et à gambades. C'est une art, comme dit Platon, légère, volage ... Il est des ouvrages en Plutarque où il oublie son thème, où le propos de son argument ne se trouve que par incident ... O Dieu, que ces gaillardes escapades, que cette variation a de beauté... Mon style et mon esprit vont vagabondant de même. Il faut avoir un peu de folie ...

Petitavoine
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1 day22 hrs

Reference: original translation

Reference information:
ESSAYS OF MICHEL DE MONTAIGNE, Translated by Charles Cotton, Edited by William Carew Hazilitt, 1877

CONTENTS OF VOLUME 17.
IX. Of Vanity

http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/3/5/9/3597/3597.txt

J'aime l'allure poétique, à sauts et à gambades; c'est un art, comme dit Platon, léger, volage, démoniaque.

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I love a poetic progress, by leaps and skips; 'tis an art, as Plato says, light, nimble, demoniac.

Just Opera
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