ainsi dédoublée

English translation: projected in this way

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French term or phrase:	ainsi dédoublée
English translation:	projected in this way
Entered by:	Helen Shiner

12:19 Sep 5, 2008

French to English translations [PRO]
Science - Psychology / Occult Science

French term or phrase: ainsi dédoublée

Thanks to your help, I got to see 'Dédoublement' can be translated as 'Out Of Body Experience' (or related terms liek 'astral projection'/'astral travel', ...).

This poses another question for me, however: 'ainsi dédoublée'

An example of a sentence: "provoquant son extériorisation (dédoublement) et -> sa manifestation ainsi dédoublée

Andy Tolle KudoZ activity Questions: 40 (2 open) Answers: 1 Belgium
Local time: 11:37

projected in this way

Explanation:
I would render your sentence in this way:

'provoking/causing its externalisation (projection) and its manifest appearance (projected in this way) to people unaware of the experiment.'

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Astral Projection: 1.To be able to project one's astral body at will, or under controlled
conditions 2. A controlled out-of-body experience.
http://www.csgr.us/terminology.html

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Manifestation: 1. To show, demonstrate plainly, or reveal in a manner that is detectable to
the five physical senses of living creatures. 2. The act of manifesting, or state of manifest.
http://www.csgr.us/terminology.html

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Another 2 useful references:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/astral-projection-or-astra...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CskRpdm0wbsC&pg=PA131&lpg...

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Frankly, Alain, my answer is different and I do prefer the wording to the one Myriam has suggested, but it is up to the Asker to determine which one he prefers. There are many instances where people post similar replies without attracting comments such as yours. Give the some credence to the Asker to be able to make choices. I am happy for Myriam to have the points, frankly it is not my choice and I will just be glad if he has been helped.

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Many thanks for your kind words, Andy. Very pleased to have helped.

Selected response from:

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:37

Grading comment

Thanks for the extensive research and clear motivations, Helen.
I appreciate your hard work.

As some have pointed out, many other translations were somewhat similar. This one was different enough for me to 'feel more satisfying'.

I thank you all for offering me a multitude of choices. It benefits this translation and feels supporting to me. Thanks.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +3

Thus projected

Myriam Dupouy

4 +1

projected in this way

Helen Shiner

thus duplicated

Nadia Ayoub

thus splits into

mohanv

thus divided

Naomi Louder

thus split (into two)

Beatriz Ramírez de Haro

Summary of reference entries provided

liz askew

Answers

3 mins confidence:

thus split (into two)

Explanation:
:)

Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
Spain
Local time: 11:37
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish

24 mins confidence:

thus duplicated

Explanation:
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/citation/50/208/158

http://books.google.com/books?id=-FQTMxm91hwC&pg=PA269&lpg=P...

Nadia Ayoub
Egypt
Local time: 11:37
Works in field
Native speaker of: Arabic
PRO pts in category: 4

37 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Thus projected

Explanation:
;o)

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"Your double projected"...

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Urban Dictionary: Astral Projection
- [ Traduire cette page ]
The projected double, referred to as the Astral Double, may freely move through the Astral Planes or the Real Time Zone. The real Time zone is the closest ...
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Astral Projection - 19k - En cache - Pages similaires

OBE - Astral Sex Pt 1
- [ Traduire cette page ]
There is a more direct energetic connection between the physical/etheric body and its real time projected double, than there is with its astral double; ...
www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/obe-astral-sex-1.htm - 48k - En cache - Pages similaires

Mastering Astral Projection: 90-Day Guide to Out-of-Body Experience - Résultats Google Recherche de Livres
de Robert Bruce, Brian Mercer, Robert Mercer - 2004 - Body, Mind & Spirit - 504 pages
Astral projection TB/Grenzwissenschaften Specific topics in ... The projected double might hear a car passing outside or a clock ticking from a nearby ...
books.google.fr/books?isbn=0738704679...

Myriam Dupouy
France
Local time: 11:37
Native speaker of: French

2 hrs confidence:

thus splits into

Explanation:
Hope this can give some help:

la conscience du sujet est dédoublée entre son corps physique, où l’original demeure en sécurité, et le double projeté."

The projector's mind splits into two identical parts each containing a complete copy of thinking mind and memory. One copy always remains firmly locked inside the physical body while a mirror image is reflected into and maintained in the exterior projected double. This effect is called "The Mind Split Effect".

Reference: http://www.jamendo.com/en/user/Mind%20Split%20Effect

mohanv
India
Local time: 15:07
Native speaker of:

Tamil
PRO pts in category: 4

4 hrs confidence:

thus divided

Explanation:
mystical stuff!

Naomi Louder
Local time: 05:37
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

projected in this way

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:37
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 26

Grading comment

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Lori Cirefice

3 hrs

-> thank you, Lori

agree

roisin56: ok Helen, with you on this one - clearer vision today and I actually READ the French!

7 hrs

-> Thanks for the support, roisin56!

neutral

Eileen Roore: I think Dupouy gave the same answer before you. Anyway, I agree.

22 hrs

-> I think my suggestion is a little different, but thanks.

disagree

Alain Chouraki: Got it, but then why not reply, when similarity pointed "Ah yes, sorry, I hadn't seen it"?

1 day 23 hrs

-> Alain, I had no intention of detracting from Myriam's answer. My aim was to help the Asker as ever and to post some useful information alongside my answer./I spent a long time doing research to help this particular Asker actually; good that M and I agree.

Reference comments

20 mins

Reference

Reference information:
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JSTOR: Psychotic Structure and Girard's Doubles
The "splitting of the ego," the sacrosanct Spaltung is a second-degree ... thus it is mythically expressed as splitting [dedoublement] and hallucination. ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0300-7162(197821)8%3A1%3C72%3APSAGD%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5 - Similar pages
by JM Oughourlian - 1978 - Cited by 2 - Related articles
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PEP Web - The Oedipus Complex Revisited: Oedipus Abandoned ...
In the case of splitting of the ego, for example, patients are unable to link the ... Overcoming a split means that a part of the ego (or of an affect) has ...
www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=IJP.080.0015A - Similar pages
by D Quinodoz - 1999 - Cited by 4 - Related articles - All 3 versions
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When the Victim Forgets
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
(1878) spoke of a splitting (dédoublement) of the ego: the simultaneous existence in one. and the same individual of "two thoughts, two wills, two distinct ...
www.onnovdhart.nl/articles/dissociationtheory.pdf - Similar pages
by O VAN DER HART - 1989 - Cited by 38 - Related articles - All 4 versions
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Splitting of the Ego in the Process of Defence: Information from ...
Splitting of the Ego in the Process of Defence This short essay, dating from January 1938, was published after Freud's death.
www.answers.com/topic/splitting-of-the-ego-in-the-process-o... - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
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Ronald Fairbairn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit] The splitting of the ego. Fairbairn envisioned the child with largely unavailable ... This defense mechanism is known as ‘splitting of the ego’, ...

liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 34

19 mins

Reference

Reference information:
Psychiatric Clinics of North America : Why Conversion Seizures ...
Medical theories about hysteria took a turn from physical to mental when Thomas ... Taine [22] described the dédoublement (splitting) of the ego and of ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0193953X05000869 - Similar pages
by ES Bowman - 2006 - Cited by 4 - Related articles - All 2 versions

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Sure thing!

I don't have a problem with the "spiritual" but the "occult"..that is what I am saying.

As for translating the term, depends on the field :-)

As I say, I do "medical"...and often deal with psychiatric patients in my job as an interpreter...to help people with mental disorders we have to get hold of something tangible in order to help their condition.

liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 34

Note to reference poster

Asker: I agree with Helen Shiner. A medical dictionary or seen in psychological contexts, this would be an accurate translation. In the occult however, this would not hold up. As you say: a scientific mind sees only ego, body, ... 'spirit' is not tangible enough. While in the Occult 'dédoublement' is separation of this spirit from the physical body... Without judgment of who's right and wrong, looking only at the facts: I believe it would require science to first recognize something like a spirit as being tangible, before we'll find a term for it in that field.

Asker: This being said, I appreciate your contribution and I made note of it.

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