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English translation: structured psyche/ his psyche is well structured

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French term or phrase:	structuré
English translation:	structured psyche/ his psyche is well structured
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14:25 Dec 1, 2008

French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Psychology

French term or phrase: structuré

I am translating a social report describing a family that is applying for approval to adopt. This section is talking about the children they already have.
The sentence says about one of them "Il est, d'après ses parents, gentil, très structuré et très cartésien."

In this context would 'structuré' mean 'methodical' or a 'methodical thinker'? Something like that?

It would be great to have answers from people with a psychology background.
Thanks for your help!

Philip Watterson KudoZ activity Questions: 30 (1 open) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 31 France
Local time: 20:54

structured psyche/ his psyche is well structured

Explanation:
Blog - [ Traduire cette page ]At this point in the PSYCHE project we have already met a number of concerns from a ... It’s designed to make it easy to both design and package structured ...
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PEP Web - A Review of Open Minded: Working Out the Logic of the ... - [ Traduire cette page ]... be credited with the invention of psycheanalysis, at least in the sense of being the first to give a systematic account of a structured psyche” (p. 58). ...
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de R Frie - 1999 - Autres articles
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Iraq
Local time: 20:54

Grading comment

Thanks to everyone who has got stuck in with this passionate debate (... somewhat amusing to an outside observer). I think I am convinced by "Dr" Jones references and point of view. But the discussions and suggestions were all very helpful and got me thinking. Thanks to everyone.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +2

well-balanced

MatthewLaSon

4 +1

structured psyche/ his psyche is well structured

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3 +1

structured

ivo abdman

orderly (has an orderly mind/disposition)

Jessica Agullo

organized

David Sirett

4 -1

well mannered

Jessica Agullo

focused

polyglot45

3 -1

fastidious

Jessica Agullo

Summary of reference entries provided

Psy-speak?

Emma Paulay

Discussion entries: 4

Answers

16 mins confidence:

focused

Explanation:
might work here

polyglot45
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 4

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

structured psyche/ his psyche is well structured

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Iraq
Local time: 20:54
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Notes to answerer

Asker: piece of friendly advice. Go easy on the exclamation marks. It doesn't make you sound more authoritative. Thanks for your research and references though. Very helpful.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Emma Paulay: I don't think this is something a parent would say about a child//The context says "d'après ses parents" which, to me, means that this is something the boy's parents have said about him.//Since when is 'gentil' psy language?

0 min

-> but these are professionals transposing what the mother has said into psy language !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neutral

polyglot45: agree with Emma - it is the parents' description, not the professional's

16 mins

-> no it's not, 'd'après ses parents' ne veut absolument pas dire 'litéralement' d'après eux

agree

Helen Shiner: I quite take your point and think you are absolutely right here./It is sometimes quite a struggle, isn't it? This is a social report not a verbatim account of what the parents said.

28 mins

-> at last someone understands what I'm getting at - thanks phew :)!!

neutral

Jessica Agullo: an odd choice of words to describe a child given that the social worker is describing parents' description of their child

46 mins

-> by whom ? by a health professional ?? !!!

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

structured

Explanation:
structured
Function:adjective

: having definite structure : exhibiting organized structure or differentiation of parts

ivo abdman
Indonesia
Local time: 01:54
Does not meet criteria
Native speaker of:

Indonesian

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

well mannered

Explanation:
aa peer suggests that fastidious has negative implications (I was not aware), in which case I prefer well mannered to describe a child.

Example sentence(s):

Our child is well mannered and reasonable by nature

Jessica Agullo
United States
Local time: 14:54
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

English

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

fastidious

Explanation:
Same as methodical perhaps, but sounds more like a character trait than a thought process.
I imagine that parents describing a child in this context are more likely to be commenting on the behaviour or demeanor of the child.
Tidy, even tempered, well behaved are also possibilities.

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Note added at 1 hr (2008-12-01 15:26:40 GMT)
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I was unaware of the negative implication - so fastidious leans toward OCD?

Jessica Agullo
United States
Local time: 14:54
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your suggestion. It may be a difference between Brit and US perception, but is 'fastidious' not a little bit of a negative trait? I think in this context, 'structuré' is meant to be a positive character trait. Let me know your thoughts...

2 hrs confidence:

orderly (has an orderly mind/disposition)

Explanation:
another thought.....?

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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-12-01 16:32:51 GMT)
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" very orderly(or disciplined?) and rational child"

(this is a fun debate)

Jessica Agullo
United States
Local time: 14:54
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

English

6 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

well-balanced

Explanation:
Hello,

If a child is "bien structuré", it means that he is well-balanced.

A happy, well-balanced child.

very common word in child psychology

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 14:54
Meets criteria
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 11

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for the suggestion. The expression 'sounds good' in English. I am slightly less confident of how close the meaning is to the meaning of the French expression. Thanks for your contribution, though.

18 hrs confidence:

organized

Explanation:
Assuming reporting of what the parents said, and perhaps by a social worker rather than a psychologist. It might help to know how old this particular child is--"organized" would be strange for a 2-year-old, but not a 12-year-old.

David Sirett
Local time: 20:54
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

English

Reference comments

58 mins

Reference: Psy-speak?

Reference information:
See "Taureau ascendant vierge". Just to illustrate that the language used is not necessarily psy-speak...

Reference: http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/loisirs/horoscope/e_taureau.phtml

Emma Paulay
France
Meets criteria
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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