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Marketing - Real Estate / Description of property for sale | | French term or phrase: dans sa partie troglodyte | Si vous recherchez l’authenticité et l’unique dans un appartement, alors cet objet a été pensé pour vous. Protégé des regards indiscrets et au bénéfice d’une vue généreuse sur les montagnes, construit dans un petit immeuble de style «chalet», cet appartement saura vous séduire. Renfermant des trésors dans sa partie troglodyte, il déploie d’agréables volumes à l’étage. Douze pièces rénovées avec goût en 2007 et réparties sur deux niveaux et demi, d’une surface habitable de 340 m2.
Does this mean a cave of some kind, in other words the "cave part" of the flat?
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| tragedyqueenKudoZ activityQuestions: 339 ( 1 open) ( 1 without valid answers) ( 6 closed without grading) Answers: 155
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| | in the troglodytic section | Explanation:
Yes, it's part of a "house" that is underground, in cliff face. I once stayed in one such, a gîte on the Loire that was entirely cut into the chalk cliff high above the river.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/calling-al...
Meanwhile, on the eastern side of the county around Frome, new wealth resulted in a series of troglodytic grottoes at The Chantry, Hapsford House and Pondsmead at Oakhill, proving that Regency industrialists had as much artistic sense as a desire to make money.
http://www.timothymowl.co.uk/Somerset.htm
The oldest known troglodytic site is at Beersheba in Israel, where thirty-odd underground dwellings dating from the fourth millennium B.C. were excavated in the 1950s [ ... ] Troglodytism belongs to a very ancient and widespread tradition which still continues to be practised. There are more than 40 million troglodytes in China today. In Tunisia, ancient dwellings hewn vertically out of the rock have been transformed into attractive hotel complexes. Remarkable examples of cave-dwelling communities still exist in Spain, Italy and France. In the Saumur region of France, near the river Loire, many cave dwellers enjoy the same amenities as householders who live above ground. At the same time many troglodytic sites have been abandoned, many are deteriorating and will soon be beyond repair, and others have disappeared entirely, even if some are being renovated thanks to tourism. Is troglodytism merely a survival from a bygone age which will one day be forgotten?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1310/is_1995_Dec/ai_1...
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I agree with Sheila that it sounds strange when you're not familiar with the French, but I think we are all familiar with the concept in French, not in English, because the phenomenon is more prevalent over here. "Cave" makes it sound distinctly more prehistoric (as well as being imprecise since "troglodytic" refers to man-made "caves"), while "underground" sounds more like "cellar", in addition to which a troglodytic house is not exactly/entirely underground, in the sense that it will have a "rez de chaussée".
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If "troglodyte/dytic" is felt to be too much for readers to cope with, then maybe "the part that extends into the cliff" would do the trick. |
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| Grading comment Thanks Bourth. I used troglodyte with an explanation in brackets.
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1 hr confidence:   in the part built into the (cliff, rock, slope)
Explanation:
'troglodyte' means anything or any part of a building built into a rock or cliff or mountain. In other words something where the walls are 'pre-formed' by nature
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9 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +1 in the troglodytic section
Explanation:
Yes, it's part of a "house" that is underground, in cliff face. I once stayed in one such, a gîte on the Loire that was entirely cut into the chalk cliff high above the river.
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Note added at 16 mins (2009-11-20 18:10:56 GMT)
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/calling-al...
Meanwhile, on the eastern side of the county around Frome, new wealth resulted in a series of troglodytic grottoes at The Chantry, Hapsford House and Pondsmead at Oakhill, proving that Regency industrialists had as much artistic sense as a desire to make money.
http://www.timothymowl.co.uk/Somerset.htm
The oldest known troglodytic site is at Beersheba in Israel, where thirty-odd underground dwellings dating from the fourth millennium B.C. were excavated in the 1950s [ ... ] Troglodytism belongs to a very ancient and widespread tradition which still continues to be practised. There are more than 40 million troglodytes in China today. In Tunisia, ancient dwellings hewn vertically out of the rock have been transformed into attractive hotel complexes. Remarkable examples of cave-dwelling communities still exist in Spain, Italy and France. In the Saumur region of France, near the river Loire, many cave dwellers enjoy the same amenities as householders who live above ground. At the same time many troglodytic sites have been abandoned, many are deteriorating and will soon be beyond repair, and others have disappeared entirely, even if some are being renovated thanks to tourism. Is troglodytism merely a survival from a bygone age which will one day be forgotten?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1310/is_1995_Dec/ai_1...
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-11-20 20:35:29 GMT)
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I agree with Sheila that it sounds strange when you're not familiar with the French, but I think we are all familiar with the concept in French, not in English, because the phenomenon is more prevalent over here. "Cave" makes it sound distinctly more prehistoric (as well as being imprecise since "troglodytic" refers to man-made "caves"), while "underground" sounds more like "cellar", in addition to which a troglodytic house is not exactly/entirely underground, in the sense that it will have a "rez de chaussée".
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If "troglodyte/dytic" is felt to be too much for readers to cope with, then maybe "the part that extends into the cliff" would do the trick.
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| | Grading comment | Thanks Bourth. I used troglodyte with an explanation in brackets. |
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1 hr confidence: in the below-ground part
Explanation:
I don't really go for the use of anything to do with troglodyte in English. I know it's an English word, just as much as a French one, but it doesn' sound natural to me.
It's clear that this apartment is built into the hillside, so that the lower level is partly underground, whilst the upper level is above ground, in fact is raised above ground level away from the hillside.
I used to have a house exactly like this - I never thought of myself as a troglodyte, but it was fantastic for storage on the lower level (constant temperature etc) and a there was a lovely view from the upper floor.
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I really can't see an English-speaking estate agent gaining custom by describing his/her properties as suitable for troglodytes. It may be a selling point in French, but not in English, IMO
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The more thought I give it, the more I hear myself thinking "built into the hillside".
I don't see anything in the text to give an idea of cliffs or caves - just a building burrowed into the hillside, with a view of the mountains.
|   Sheila Wilson
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