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en lice

English translation: involved in the plot


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French term or phrase:en lice
English translation:involved in the plot
Entered by: Yolanda Broad
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18:48 Oct 17, 2005
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. / attempt to assassinate Hitler, 20 July 1944
French term or phrase: en lice
Hi all,

I think 'en lice' means 'present', but I need to be sure, because of the context.

Here's the whole sentence:

Gerstenmaier était aissi *en lice* au moment de l'attentat du 20 juillet.

Thank you very much:-)

Denise
Denise Levin
Israel
Local time: 00:42
involved in the plot
Explanation:
Does not necessarily mean he was there in the room. In fact, he was part of the plotbut I don't believe he was present in the room where the meeting was being held during the assassination attempt
the following site gives a little more info
www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Gerstenmaier.htm - 4k

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Note added at 46 mins (2005-10-17 19:35:10 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks. When I said he was not present, I meant in the meeting room, unlike Stauffenberg who actually left the bomb in an attache case under the table in the hut where Hitler was holding his daily briefing.

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Note added at 59 mins (2005-10-17 19:47:39 GMT) Post-grading
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Just for the record, according to The Berlin Diaries of Missie Vassiltchikov Stauffenberg left the attache case under the tableand then left the room to answer a pre-arranged phone call. Another officer who found the attache case in his way, moved it aside which probably saved Hitler's life. At 12.42 the hut disintegrated in a cloud of flames and smoke. Stauffenberg, who had been chatting with another plotter, Erich Fellgiebel, then left and took a plane back to Berlin. Unfortunately, there's no more information about Gerstenmeier ... hope this helps :-)
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suezen
Local time: 23:42
Grading comment
The link you brought proves (in contrast to your comment) that Gerstenmaier was indeed physically present (on the spot) during the assassination attempt, and that's what I needed to know. I quote from your link:
July 20, 1944: Rushes to the Bendlerstrasse (carrying Bible and pistol) to help launch the coup. Like Gisevius, Gerstenmaier begs Stauffenberg and the other conspirators to be ruthless and shoot rather than arrest anyone who offers resistance. Arrested that same evening in the Bendlerstrasse along with Yorck and the others.

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Summary of answers provided
4 +2in the running ...1045
3 +2involved in the plot
suezen
5on the sidelinesJane Lamb-Ruiz
4was present
Hacene
4in the race
Richard Hedger
3 +1involvedreubenius


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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
in the running ...


Explanation:
ONE of the meanings of "en lice"
is "in the running".

1045
Canada
Local time: 17:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  galileo galilei: yes "running for "...Schwarzenegger is running for re-election next year. basically "take part in a race"
6 mins
  -> Merci galileo galilei ...

agree  Richard Hedger: commonly used
10 mins
  -> Merci Richard ..
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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
in the race


Explanation:
en lice often used as a term to describe politicians the race to be elected

Richard Hedger
Switzerland
Local time: 23:42
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
was present


Explanation:
here "en lice" means in the forefront and the best way to put it in your sentence seems to be: Gerstenmaier was also present at the time of the attempt against Hitler's life on 20th July 1944.



    Reference: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Gerste...
Hacene
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:42
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: only Von Stauffenberg was 'present' at the bunker
15 mins
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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
involved


Explanation:
As in: Gerstenmeier was also involved at the time of the...

I don't know enough about the plot to know whether he could have been present or not, but 'involved' could be another option.

reubenius
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:42
Works in field
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: he was one of the backers-I get the feeling the right word is coulisse but who knows.
10 mins
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46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
on the sidelines


Explanation:
is the meaning

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 15
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
involved in the plot


Explanation:
Does not necessarily mean he was there in the room. In fact, he was part of the plotbut I don't believe he was present in the room where the meeting was being held during the assassination attempt
the following site gives a little more info
www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Gerstenmaier.htm - 4k

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Note added at 46 mins (2005-10-17 19:35:10 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks. When I said he was not present, I meant in the meeting room, unlike Stauffenberg who actually left the bomb in an attache case under the table in the hut where Hitler was holding his daily briefing.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 59 mins (2005-10-17 19:47:39 GMT) Post-grading
--------------------------------------------------

Just for the record, according to The Berlin Diaries of Missie Vassiltchikov Stauffenberg left the attache case under the tableand then left the room to answer a pre-arranged phone call. Another officer who found the attache case in his way, moved it aside which probably saved Hitler's life. At 12.42 the hut disintegrated in a cloud of flames and smoke. Stauffenberg, who had been chatting with another plotter, Erich Fellgiebel, then left and took a plane back to Berlin. Unfortunately, there's no more information about Gerstenmeier ... hope this helps :-)

suezen
Local time: 23:42
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 145
Grading comment
The link you brought proves (in contrast to your comment) that Gerstenmaier was indeed physically present (on the spot) during the assassination attempt, and that's what I needed to know. I quote from your link:
July 20, 1944: Rushes to the Bendlerstrasse (carrying Bible and pistol) to help launch the coup. Like Gisevius, Gerstenmaier begs Stauffenberg and the other conspirators to be ruthless and shoot rather than arrest anyone who offers resistance. Arrested that same evening in the Bendlerstrasse along with Yorck and the others.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: according to his German biography, he actively supported the attack and was arrested right after, sentenced to 7 years and liberated by the US troops in 1945.
17 mins

agree  Georges Tocco
22 mins
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