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carnet de pointage

English translation: time-card book


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French term or phrase:carnet de pointage
English translation:time-card book
Entered by: Carol Gullidge
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18:04 Sep 22, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / motor rallying
French term or phrase: carnet de pointage
Context: a caption for a set of illustrations in an article about motor racing. So, not a lot of help, I'm afraid...

The picture shows some sort of logbook, presumably used for the competitors' times to be entered. But I have no idea what this would be called in English! It's headed "Carnet No 34", followed by the name of the club that's organising the rally, the name of the rally (Paris-St Raphael) and the date (18-22 Feb 1931)

I'd be most grateful if anybody could help with the official name of this document, as used in rallies. Many thanks!
Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:07
log(book)
Explanation:
Presumably this is an "orienteering" type rally, not a "point to point" where all that matters is starting and finishing time.

When you get to a checkpoint, you have you get your log time-stamped (or the official stamps his own log of participants who have been through the checkpoint, or both).

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I take that back, sort of. If it IS a "carnet" then you really need something with "book", I feel, but the expression - these days at least - appears to be "time card", though there is also "road book" and, possibly less authoritatively, "rally book".

At each stamp checkpoint an entrant will receive a stamp on his/her TIME CARD. ...
www.bridgehamptonrally.org/REGULATIONS.htm

Records of the passing of each checkpoint are sent on to rally .... start times listed on their TIME CARDS, which are stamped at each checkpoint passed. ...
www.finstral-rally.com/content.php?id=310

There are three types of CHECKPOINTS:
- Usual checkpoints:
In a time slot specified for each checkpoint, (slot of 2 or 3 hours in general), each crew have to go to the place indicated on the ROAD-BOOK in order to stamp it.
http://www.pariscapnord.com/page.php?listtag=DEFINITION,RAID...

I did a U-turn and went back and got a nice dark stamp in the RALLY BOOK. ...
whitespider.broeking.com/fite.htm

At each Checkpoint the Entrant’s ROUTE CARD must be stamped ...
www.gm2b.co.uk/docs/2006 regs only.pdf

Check Point (CP): A special stage is equipped with several check points where the riders get a stamp in their TIME CARD. The check points prove that a rider ...
www.webbikeworld.com/2007-dakar-rally/

I gave the rally official my TIME CARD and he stamped it. ...
www.wheels.ca/article/50360


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The roadbook contains instructions on the route, the checkpoints to be gone through, and the TIMING (carnet de pointage???) to reach those checkpoints. Maybe this is what your book is. Of course nothing would prevent the road book and the time card being combined, but normally they would be separate.

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On doit toujours être pile à la moyenne imposée à l’instant donné. C’est ce qui permet d’établir un classement qui se fait par addition de points de pénalité. Si par malheur on est trop rapide, on accumule assez rapidement les pénalités voire la disqualification. Sur un petit CARNET DE POINTAGE qui accompagne la voiture et son équipage sont notés tous les évènements importants : départ, arrivée, retards, pénalités et même les contraventions distribuées par la maréchaussée.
Rarement l’épreuve comporte des lignes droites, c’est toujours plutôt des lacets, des montées, des descentes et des épingles. Quand on traverse un village, la moyenne cible tombe à 30 km/h, donc faut donc calculer sa moyenne et se recaler sur son ROAD BOOK....C’est alors que les calculettes moulinent, les instructions fusent : « encore 4 km, on sort de la spéciale, on est 15 secondes trop vite, ravitaillement dans 12 kilomètres…. ». Il
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallye_de_régularité

Takes me back to school days when I was in the Car Club, acting as timekeeper, clipboard and stopwatch in hand, Dad at the wheel, and a school mate as navigator. Whenever I got it wrong, it was because I had "forgotten" there are only 60 seconds in a minute or minutes in an hour, not 100!
Selected response from:

xxxBourth
Local time: 21:07
Grading comment
many thanks Bourth! I think this is indeed about time cards, used during the rallies. Despite W/A, I don't think I'd ever have come up with this without yr help
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2scorecardliz askew
4log(book)xxxBourth
3Tally book
Gad Kohenov


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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Tally book


Explanation:
Used in transport (according to the GDT of Quebec). Maybe this is what you are looking for.

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A propos:

score card
la carte des points, la fiche des scores




Gad Kohenov
Local time: 22:07
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in HebrewHebrew
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: many thanks desertfox!

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
log(book)


Explanation:
Presumably this is an "orienteering" type rally, not a "point to point" where all that matters is starting and finishing time.

When you get to a checkpoint, you have you get your log time-stamped (or the official stamps his own log of participants who have been through the checkpoint, or both).

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2008-09-22 20:00:45 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I take that back, sort of. If it IS a "carnet" then you really need something with "book", I feel, but the expression - these days at least - appears to be "time card", though there is also "road book" and, possibly less authoritatively, "rally book".

At each stamp checkpoint an entrant will receive a stamp on his/her TIME CARD. ...
www.bridgehamptonrally.org/REGULATIONS.htm

Records of the passing of each checkpoint are sent on to rally .... start times listed on their TIME CARDS, which are stamped at each checkpoint passed. ...
www.finstral-rally.com/content.php?id=310

There are three types of CHECKPOINTS:
- Usual checkpoints:
In a time slot specified for each checkpoint, (slot of 2 or 3 hours in general), each crew have to go to the place indicated on the ROAD-BOOK in order to stamp it.
http://www.pariscapnord.com/page.php?listtag=DEFINITION,RAID...

I did a U-turn and went back and got a nice dark stamp in the RALLY BOOK. ...
whitespider.broeking.com/fite.htm

At each Checkpoint the Entrant’s ROUTE CARD must be stamped ...
www.gm2b.co.uk/docs/2006 regs only.pdf

Check Point (CP): A special stage is equipped with several check points where the riders get a stamp in their TIME CARD. The check points prove that a rider ...
www.webbikeworld.com/2007-dakar-rally/

I gave the rally official my TIME CARD and he stamped it. ...
www.wheels.ca/article/50360


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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-09-22 20:06:27 GMT)
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The roadbook contains instructions on the route, the checkpoints to be gone through, and the TIMING (carnet de pointage???) to reach those checkpoints. Maybe this is what your book is. Of course nothing would prevent the road book and the time card being combined, but normally they would be separate.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs (2008-09-22 20:11:17 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

On doit toujours être pile à la moyenne imposée à l’instant donné. C’est ce qui permet d’établir un classement qui se fait par addition de points de pénalité. Si par malheur on est trop rapide, on accumule assez rapidement les pénalités voire la disqualification. Sur un petit CARNET DE POINTAGE qui accompagne la voiture et son équipage sont notés tous les évènements importants : départ, arrivée, retards, pénalités et même les contraventions distribuées par la maréchaussée.
Rarement l’épreuve comporte des lignes droites, c’est toujours plutôt des lacets, des montées, des descentes et des épingles. Quand on traverse un village, la moyenne cible tombe à 30 km/h, donc faut donc calculer sa moyenne et se recaler sur son ROAD BOOK....C’est alors que les calculettes moulinent, les instructions fusent : « encore 4 km, on sort de la spéciale, on est 15 secondes trop vite, ravitaillement dans 12 kilomètres…. ». Il
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rallye_de_régularité

Takes me back to school days when I was in the Car Club, acting as timekeeper, clipboard and stopwatch in hand, Dad at the wheel, and a school mate as navigator. Whenever I got it wrong, it was because I had "forgotten" there are only 60 seconds in a minute or minutes in an hour, not 100!

xxxBourth
Local time: 21:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 114
Grading comment
many thanks Bourth! I think this is indeed about time cards, used during the rallies. Despite W/A, I don't think I'd ever have come up with this without yr help
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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
scorecard


Explanation:
Honda-Tech.com: Road Racing/Autocross: ITR Rally Car Build (pics)
20 Jan 2008 ... This link has all the scheduals including CARS Canadian Rally Series. ..... The seven minutes was removed from our score card, ...
www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1824331&page=4 - 77k - Cached - Similar pages

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Run the Stage:
1. Get a time for every car
2. Log finish time, calculate elapsed time, enter ET on score card

Give timing logs to Course Closing car

Be prepared to deal with service crews who need to retrieve their broken rally cars.
◊ Retrieve all signs (including road closure sign) and ribbon in the vicinity of the finish.
◊ Return equipment and materials to Equipment Manager

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the TA on your score card before leaving the scoring car. There is no penalty for using a TA. .... It is used to permit the rally cars to calibrate their ...
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score card

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No problem ! :-)

I don't know much about the subtleties of car racing, whenever I have seen them on the TV (accidentally :-) I usually fall asleep....zzzzz

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: many thanks Liz! A hard one, this, but I think Bourth is slightly closer with his time cards, and the need for the word "book"


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