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Cigare

English translation: crux pillar / \'cigar\'


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French term or phrase:Cigare
English translation:crux pillar / \'cigar\'
Entered by: simon till
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16:20 Nov 10, 2010
French to English translations [PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / Ice climbing
French term or phrase: Cigare
I've copied a couple of sentences off a website to put this in context:
Après une bonne marche d'approche, nous voilà aux pieds de deux beaux cigares d'environ 30m bien raides.
C'est assez pauvre en glace et ça rend les cigares vraiment raide et impressionnant.
The same site has some excellent pictures, you can see what they look like on:
http://monts-et-cimes.over-blog.com/article-cascade-de-glace...
simon till
Local time: 21:09
crux pillar / 'cigar'
Explanation:
'Climb: A rare route that can be climbed mixed but with very
poor protection. Work up two steps on thin sheets to the
third step and ‘cogar’ shaped crux pillar. Carefully climb the
skinny ‘stogie’ to a large, mid-height ledge and follow fatter
ice to the trees. The small crux pillar (cigar) is usually thin and
weak with less than desirable gear. There is an old pin found
on the left wall of the second step but serves little use.'
(source, http://www.grizguides.com/downloads/LehighValleyWeb.pdf)

'Easy ramps, goullottes and free-standing "cigars" mean that the climber is never short of variety.'
(source, http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=1691)

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Here's another example, using 'pillar' as part of a 'cigar' formation. HTH,
'Johnny teamed up with Rupert Gardiner for two first ascents. Their first new route was Kapa O Panga (water ice grade WI5, 35m), which is the middle pillar of the distinctive Three Cigars ice formation.'
(source, http://www.mountainz.co.nz/content/article/article.php?artic...

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Note added at 4 days (2010-11-15 08:00:11 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Simon
Selected response from:

Barbara Carrara
Italy
Local time: 21:09
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +1crux pillar / 'cigar'
Barbara Carrara
3ice fall
fourth


  

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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
ice fall


Explanation:
Waterfalls that give ice climbing
As opposed to more permanent ice climbing (pt 5 gully on the Ben, say,)
Individual flows as opposed to whole faces

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The idea of thin, impermanent climbing, probably on rather difficult ice liable to splinter rather than giving that gluing safety of screwable ice over a wide sheet

fourth
France
Local time: 21:09
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  xxxBourth: I rather get the impression that a "cigar" is just part of an "ice fall", a part with a particular shape.
3 hrs
  -> Well, I'm not sure exactly what they mean, but I have the impression of a smear of brittle ice plastered thinly over rock. Not my favourite sort of climbing.
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
crux pillar / 'cigar'


Explanation:
'Climb: A rare route that can be climbed mixed but with very
poor protection. Work up two steps on thin sheets to the
third step and ‘cogar’ shaped crux pillar. Carefully climb the
skinny ‘stogie’ to a large, mid-height ledge and follow fatter
ice to the trees. The small crux pillar (cigar) is usually thin and
weak with less than desirable gear. There is an old pin found
on the left wall of the second step but serves little use.'
(source, http://www.grizguides.com/downloads/LehighValleyWeb.pdf)

'Easy ramps, goullottes and free-standing "cigars" mean that the climber is never short of variety.'
(source, http://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/page.php?id=1691)

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Note added at 16 hrs (2010-11-11 09:01:12 GMT)
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Here's another example, using 'pillar' as part of a 'cigar' formation. HTH,
'Johnny teamed up with Rupert Gardiner for two first ascents. Their first new route was Kapa O Panga (water ice grade WI5, 35m), which is the middle pillar of the distinctive Three Cigars ice formation.'
(source, http://www.mountainz.co.nz/content/article/article.php?artic...

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Note added at 4 days (2010-11-15 08:00:11 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks, Simon

Barbara Carrara
Italy
Local time: 21:09
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  xxxBourth: Or even "stogie" (a (n American) term for a thin cigar) as used in your first example. "Crux pillar" maybe not, a "crux" being the most difficult part on a climb, possibly not necessarily a "cigar".
1 hr
  -> Thanks for your enlightening comments. I'm sure the asker will be pleased.
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