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clocher-mur

English translation: bell(-)wall OR belfry (more general) ALSO bell-gable OR bell cote


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French term or phrase:clocher-mur
English translation:bell(-)wall OR belfry (more general) ALSO bell-gable OR bell cote
Entered by: Tony M
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10:28 Dec 18, 2002
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering / church architecture
French term or phrase: clocher-mur
I know exactly what this IS (the extended wall of a church that has openings through it in which hang the bell or bells, so very common in rural France and indeed mainland Europe in general) --- but can anyone please tell me if there is a proper English architectural term for this?
Tony M
France
Local time: 10:02
bell wall
Explanation:
Good description in Termium:
Domaine(s)
  – Architectural Design
Domaine(s)
  – Conception architecturale
 
bell wall Source
PROPOSITION

clocher-mur Source
CORRECT, MASC

OBS – Bell wall: as
opposed to bell tower
or bell turret. Source

DEF – Clocher formé
par un mur percé de
baies dans lesquelles
sont placées les
cloches. Source

OBS – Pluriel : des
clochers-murs

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California Missions, Footsteps of History, California history - [ Traduire cette page ]
... replaced. Instead a bell wall (campanario) was built with six bells. ... deserted. The church was used by the city from 1862 until 1908. ...
www.usacitiesonline.com/footstepsofhistory/californiamissio... casangabrielcamissions.htm -

Translator\'s Notebook: The Mission Church and Its Furnishings - [ Traduire cette page ]
... tower a pierced bell-wall (San Diego or San Gabriel), campanario torre espadaña
*. *Espadaña should NOT be used to describe the gable of a church unless that ...
www.ca-missions.org/neuerburg2.html - 14k

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Note added at 2002-12-18 10:48:20 (GMT)
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différent d\'un clocher ou beffroi (belfry ou belfrey), les cloches ne sont pas en haut d\'une tour mais dans des ouvertures d\'un mur (comme dans certaines missions espagnoles)
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Francis MARC
Local time: 11:02
Grading comment
Many thanks, Francis, your references are very helpful and explanation very pertinent.

Thanks to the other answerers too!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1bell wall
Francis MARC
5Bell Towers or belfrey
Saleh Ayyub
5belfrey
Céline Graciet


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
belfrey


Explanation:
father-in-law is an architect!

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Note added at 2002-12-18 10:42:45 (GMT)
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he says that it\'s not that common in England; apparently only poor churches who couldn\'t afford a tower had a belfrey

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he says that it\'s not that common in England; apparently only poor churches who couldn\'t afford a tower had a belfrey

Céline Graciet
Local time: 09:02
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in pair: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Steffen Walter: not sure whether this is the correct architectural term but it ought to be 'belfry' in any event
4 mins
  -> oops you're right - belfry - cheers :-)
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Bell Towers or belfrey


Explanation:

Refer to the attached site



    Reference: http://www.churchspecialtiesinc.com/
Saleh Ayyub
Local time: 22:02
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 2
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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
bell wall


Explanation:
Good description in Termium:
Domaine(s)
  – Architectural Design
Domaine(s)
  – Conception architecturale
 
bell wall Source
PROPOSITION

clocher-mur Source
CORRECT, MASC

OBS – Bell wall: as
opposed to bell tower
or bell turret. Source

DEF – Clocher formé
par un mur percé de
baies dans lesquelles
sont placées les
cloches. Source

OBS – Pluriel : des
clochers-murs

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Note added at 2002-12-18 10:45:43 (GMT)
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California Missions, Footsteps of History, California history - [ Traduire cette page ]
... replaced. Instead a bell wall (campanario) was built with six bells. ... deserted. The church was used by the city from 1862 until 1908. ...
www.usacitiesonline.com/footstepsofhistory/californiamissio... casangabrielcamissions.htm -

Translator\'s Notebook: The Mission Church and Its Furnishings - [ Traduire cette page ]
... tower a pierced bell-wall (San Diego or San Gabriel), campanario torre espadaña
*. *Espadaña should NOT be used to describe the gable of a church unless that ...
www.ca-missions.org/neuerburg2.html - 14k

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Note added at 2002-12-18 10:48:20 (GMT)
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différent d\'un clocher ou beffroi (belfry ou belfrey), les cloches ne sont pas en haut d\'une tour mais dans des ouvertures d\'un mur (comme dans certaines missions espagnoles)

Francis MARC
Local time: 11:02
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in pair: 6496
Grading comment
Many thanks, Francis, your references are very helpful and explanation very pertinent.

Thanks to the other answerers too!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  JCEC
13 mins
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