rattachement

English translation: does not come under the authority of any jurisdiction of the state

18:01 Jul 2, 2008

French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Tourism & Travel

French term or phrase: rattachement

ll prévoit à son I que ces dispositions ne sont pas applicables en Polynésie française, en l’absence de contenu pénal et de ***rattachement à une quelconque compétence de l'Etat*** dans ce territoire.

Elles seront en revanche applicables dans les îles Wallis et Futuna et en Nouvelle‑Calédonie ainsi que, de plein droit, à Mayotte, à Saint-Barthélemy, à Saint‑Martin, à Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon et dans les Terres australes et antarctiques françaises.
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/html/actualite/actualite_legis...

I think I get the idea but would appreciate some guidance on how to express this. Thanks!

Alain Pommet KudoZ activity Questions: 148 (none open) (11 closed without grading) Answers: 1241
Local time: 23:29

English translation:does not come under the authority of any jurisdiction of the state

Explanation:
I think everyone's agreed about the 'Under the authority of/subject to' part. However, 'quelconque' refers to 'compétence' not to 'l'état'. It's not 'any state' because the state here is France - it's any jurisdiction of the state.

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Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 23:29

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Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions. This was the closest to what I used.
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Dave 72

no with no link with any of the state prerogative

myrden

with no link with any of the state prerogative

myrden

connecting factor

Clare C

state involvement

Juliette Scott

in the absence of any subjection to state jurisdiction

MatthewLaSon

does not come under the authority of any jurisdiction of the state

Emma Paulay

Discussion entries: 7

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20 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

(please see explanation)

Explanation:
Could it be described as "not being under the authority of any state/government"? or "not falling under the jurisdiction of any state/government"?

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Note added at 20 mins (2008-07-02 18:22:27 GMT)
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Just an idea- I may be way off the mark!

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Note added at 38 mins (2008-07-02 18:40:23 GMT)
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or maybe "not falling under the remit of....."

Dave 72
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:29
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English

4 hrs confidence:

no with no link with any of the state prerogative

Explanation:
plutot quelque chose comme ça

myrden
France
Local time: 23:29
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Arabic

4 hrs confidence:

with no link with any of the state prerogative

Explanation:
une erreur dans la réponse précédente. Pardon !!

myrden
France
Local time: 23:29
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Arabic

4 hrs confidence:

connecting factor

Explanation:
"connecting factor" is often used in referring to falling under a "competence" or jurisdiction or responsibility

Example sentence(s):

The primacy of in personam or personal jurisdiction is reflected in both civil and common law regimes, which provide that the defendant's residence in the jurisdiction confers authority to its court in the absence of any other connecting factor between th
The place in which that obligation is to be performed usually constitutes the closest connecting factor between the dispute and the court having jurisdiction over it, and it is this connecting factor which explains why, in contractual matters, it is the c

Reference: http://www.ulcc.ca/en/cls/index.cfm?sec=4&sub=4h
Reference: http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.com/pa/ld199798/...

Clare C
Local time: 22:29
Native speaker of:

English

9 hrs confidence:

in the absence of any subjection to state jurisdiction

Explanation:
Hello,

rattachement = subjection to
compétence = jurisdiction

en l'absence de

There seem to be talking about "in the absense of any subjection to state jurisdiction."

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 17:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 23

9 hrs confidence:

state involvement

Explanation:
Another idea for you... the absence of .... and state involvement in this....

Juliette Scott
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:29
Native speaker of: English

13 hrs confidence:

does not come under the authority of any jurisdiction of the state

Emma Paulay
France
Local time: 23:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 41

Grading comment

Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions. This was the closest to what I used.

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