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Lorsque la montagne découpe des criques de dentelle dans la mer

English translation: where mountain spurs jut/cut into the sea, forming (deeply) scalloped inlets


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French term or phrase:Lorsque la montagne découpe des criques de dentelle dans la mer
English translation:where mountain spurs jut/cut into the sea, forming (deeply) scalloped inlets
Entered by: Miranda Joubioux
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13:25 May 11, 2009
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Tourism & Travel
French term or phrase: Lorsque la montagne découpe des criques de dentelle dans la mer
Lorsque la montagne découpe des criques de dentelle dans la mer, que les plages de sable d'or ne s'offrent qu'au navigateur, chaque mouillage devient enchantement.

I've put the whole of the phrase, since I think you need to see it as a whole to give an answer.

I'm having difficulty in expressing this and would be happy to have a little help with it.
Miranda Joubioux
Local time: 12:10
where spurs of mountain jut/cut into the sea, forming (deeply) scalloped coves
Explanation:
or, to be a little more fanciful - after all, this is tourism -

"where arms of jagged mountain jut/cut into the sea, embracing scalloped coves/inlets"

I'm using a different interpretation here to the other posters for "dentelle", which I envisage as those scalloped edges on old-fashioned tablecloths, rather than an overall lacy effect, which I find harder to visualize. This "edging" seems more appropriate in the context of a coastline... Also, I see "découper" here as "to outline" rather than necessarily carving. Although "jut into" is pretty akin to "cut into"...

A few examples of "scalloped coves" - of which there are plenty:

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Beyond is a deeply scalloped cove, Bloody. Bay, rimmed by a beautiful beach. Negril's upscale all-inclusive resorts are located here ...
www.lonelyplanet.com/shop_pickandmix/previews/jamaica-5-neg... - Similar pages
CAPE TOWN'S BEST BEACHES: Cape Town's Top Beaches namely Clifton ...Clifton's scalloped cove is strewn with giant granite boulders dividing it into four separate beaches. Steep cliffs dotted with expensive beach bungalows ...
south-africa-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/cape_towns_best_beaches - 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Jamaica - Google Books Resultby Christopher P. Baker - 2003 - Travel - 352 pages
Beyond is a deeply scalloped cove. Bloody Bay. rimmed by a beautiful beach. Negril's upscale all-inclusive resorts are all located here or on the north end ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1740591615...
Experience Dominican RepublicFor beachgoers, one of the island's most picturesque strands of sand is Cofresí Beach, a small scalloped cove where the sun rises through a swath of palm ...
www.discoverdominicanrepublic.com/sightseeing_ac.html?city_... - 28k - Cached - Similar pages
unknownsa feature areas - the innes national park pictures page 1 of 2... deeply-scalloped cove surrounded by a thick arc of white sand and one of the state's premiere surfing areas. those of us who can remember the old road ...
users.chariot.net.au/~greenh/innes/default.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
Estemerwalt Lumber Products - Round Log Siding - Our ProductsThe scalloped cove with the shiplap edge and the resulting effect of lighted space and shadow provide depth and texture to your home. ...
www.roundlogsiding.com/products.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
Classic Corvette 30 Years - Google Books Resultby Mike Mueller - 2003 - Transportation - 384 pages
... on the hood and scalloped "cove" panels ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0760318069...
Mother of All Lawn Ornaments | Seven DaysShe is often cloaked in blue, and is sometimes situated in a grotto -- that is, a half-buried bathtub covered with stones, or a scalloped cove reminiscent ...
www.7dvt.com/2006/mother-all-lawn-ornaments - 24k - Cached - Similar pages
The C-1 Corvette in MiniatureThe 1962 model eliminated the chrome outline around the scalloped cove on the body and replaced the 3 fins in the reverse fender scoops with a grid . ...
www.breithaupts.com/totc248.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
Reel-Time's Fly Fishing Reports for the Boston Metropolitan RegionThe best fishing was on the outside beach, where little bass were visible around the points at the edge of every scalloped cove. ...
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Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:10
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Until today, I had a put together a mixture of all the answers, resulting in "where the sea carves an intricate coastline of creeks into the mountains", which I liked for the 3 'c's. However, your answer is probably the closest to the original and I really like "scalloped" which translates "dentelle" really well. So I've decided to give you the points.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +6Where the sea cuts a lacework of creeks into the mountains
Mark Bossanyi
4 +3When the mountains reach down sharply to a shoreline dotted with secret inlets
Susan Nicholls
4 +2When the mountain carves coves of lace in the sea...
Atelier de Mots
4 +1Where the mountain chops the sea into lace-topped coves
Paul Hirsh
4Where creeks cut a rough lacework pattern into the mountains as they tumble towards the seaks_nomad
3 +1Here where the mountain has carved creeks into the coastline...
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
3As the mountain carves lace rivulets into the sea
Colin Morley
3where spurs of mountain jut/cut into the sea, forming (deeply) scalloped coves
Carol Gullidge
3Where an intricate lacework of foam, sculpted by the steep cliffs / White horses
Marian Vieyra
3Where mountains bite their rocky fangs into the sea
fourth
3When the mountain's silhouette carves lacy inlets into the water/ocean
Scott W
3when the mountain carves out dainty creeks that spill into the sea
MatthewLaSon
Summary of reference entries provided
dentelle
Graham macLachlan

Discussion entries: 22





  

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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Where an intricate lacework of foam, sculpted by the steep cliffs / White horses


Explanation:
White horses is the usual English idiom to indicate the foam caused by the sea crashing onto the shore or rocks, but the sentence would have to be re-arranged somehow.

Marian Vieyra
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:10
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
As the mountain carves lace rivulets into the sea


Explanation:
It's just a poetry competition from hereon in! This is my entry.

Colin Morley
France
Local time: 12:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: I like 'carves' but 'rivulets' are not 'criques'.

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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
When the mountain's silhouette carves lacy inlets into the water/ocean


Explanation:
Or some variation on 'carves'. Maybe even simply 'creates'?

Scott W
Local time: 11:10
Native speaker of: English
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27 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
Where the sea cuts a lacework of creeks into the mountains


Explanation:
I suggest reversing who cuts what, i.e. the sea cuts into the mountains, not the other way round. It amounts to the same result, doesn't sound any worse and is more accurate from a geological point of view!

Mark Bossanyi
Bulgaria
Local time: 13:10
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: I had thought of reversing it, but couldn't quite get it right. This is a good way of dealing with "dentelle".


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  kashew: Great switchround! The French is over-the-top! Maybe "mountains" is a bit strong too? Cliffs could be enough although Corsica (now we know the site) has genuine mountains not so far from the sea.
42 mins
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agree  B D Finch: I like the combination of getting it the geologically correct way round and being poetic.
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agree  Marian Vieyra
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agree  Anne-Marie Grant:
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agree  Catherine Johnstone
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agree  philgoddard: Lovely translation!
4 hrs
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disagree  Paul Hirsh: visually wrong - the lace is clearly the white stuff on the waves
5 hrs
  -> Not impossible, but to me it would seem odd that streaks of foam on the water are being cut out by the mountains. By the wind, maybe ...

agree  French Foodie
17 hrs
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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
When the mountains reach down sharply to a shoreline dotted with secret inlets


Explanation:
Bit of translation loss here (to put it mildly) on the poetic image side of things, but it might be possible to work back from this which gives, I hope, at least the main meaning of the phrase. Something like:
When the mountains reach down sharply to a shoreline dotted with secret inlets and golden beaches accessible only by boat, each mooring becomes an enchanting discovery

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....sheer cliffs cut into the sea, forming a lacy pattern of inlets with beaches of golden sand...??

Susan Nicholls
Local time: 22:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: This is actually more appropriate for a later section of the text: "avec des côtes abruptes bordées de falaises tombant de la dorsale montagneuse centrale"


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Linda Sansome: You beat me to it! Inlets, making it accessible to mooring craft
5 mins
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agree  Kate Hudson
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agree  Paul Hirsh: someone who has understood the sense at least !
5 hrs
  -> Thank you, although I would have preferred "at last" to "at least"!!!
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43 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
When the mountain carves coves of lace in the sea...


Explanation:
I think it's important here to capture the "sharpness" of the mountain here, which implies a steep drop into the water. Inlet or cove feels right.

Atelier de Mots
Local time: 12:10
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Paul Hirsh: nice one, although the assonance (carves coves) is questionable aesthetically
5 hrs
  -> Merci. My "carves coves" attempts to replicate the hard "c" sounds of "decoupe" and "criques." There is a crackling image here... lacey but not fluffy. For this reason, I'd avoid some of the suggestions here that imply "daintiness."

agree  RUTH ELIZABETH BARTLETT: I like this
17 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
when the mountain carves out dainty creeks that spill into the sea


Explanation:
Hello,

My try...

I hope this helps.

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lorsque = when (telling where something begins)

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 06:10
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 23
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Here where the mountain has carved creeks into the coastline...


Explanation:
Hi Miranda.
Flowery French can sometimes sound so out of synch in English. Here’s my stab at this one.
« Here where the mountain has carved creeks into the coastline, where the golden sandy beaches are the unique reserve of sailors, each time you drop anchor you are in a haven of enchantment.”



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If you reckon it's essential to respect the who is doing what to whom anlge from the original, then "here where the sea has carved creeks into the mountainous coastline..." that said, the original suggests that the mountain is doing the carving. For me, it conjures up a visual thing where the image conveyed allows a little poetic licence so that it all hangs together... cliffhanger???

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Note added at 3 hrs (2009-05-11 17:04:02 GMT)
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I came upon (no, not daffodils...) but the idea of "carve" and "creek" as the original has "déCoupe" and "crique". Something musical and rythmical about it which I have tried to keep.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 12:10
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Graham macLachlan: I suppose you could have "etched inlets" too
2 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Where mountains bite their rocky fangs into the sea


Explanation:
A bit of visual!
Yes, it's the sea that cuts into the rock and,yes, its lacework, but I think here it's the shape they are referring to.
A bit overblown perhaps depending on the style of the rest.


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I really don't think that this has to do with either "creeks", those Essex tidal domestic mud scenes or "laceworks" in all of its homely gentility. The sea just isn't like that. It attacks remorselesly. It creates eroded areas.Equally, mountains, in my experience are worthy of respect. They are grindingly relentless. We who have survived them, so far, recognize this.

fourth
France
Local time: 12:10
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PRO pts in category: 3
Notes to answerer
Asker: Yes, definitely overblown. The rest is pretty much the same and full of colons and typical French non-sentences. :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Graham macLachlan: shame Transylvania doesn't have a coastline :)//Of course, the Red Sea :))
1 hr
  -> Oh but doesn't it ,G. The Red Sea? But rather, either we say the writer is impossibly over the top, let's not try to translate this person's words or we think, perhaps, Verlaine. The French mind is NOT to be despised? How generous, G!

disagree  philgoddard: This doesn't convey the idea of lace, and you can't "bite your fangs"
2 hrs
  -> I don't think this has anything to do with lace. How do you usually use your fangs?
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Where creeks cut a rough lacework pattern into the mountains as they tumble towards the sea


Explanation:
I liked Mark's response, but for me it still sounds odd to say that the sea is cutting creeks into the mountain. Usually one thinks of creeks cutting into the mounting and running into the sea. The sea water doesn't run up the mountain. The only exception would be if what they really meant was not "creeks", but "inlets", in which case the sea does cut into the land.

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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Where the mountain chops the sea into lace-topped coves


Explanation:
the idea is that the shore is cut (by the mountains) into coves which are only accessible by boat

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or lace-capped

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Note added at 19 hrs (2009-05-12 09:04:32 GMT)
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I should go with Atelier des mots suggestion, since the mountains carve out the coves in the sea; they do not actually cut the sea up.

Paul Hirsh
France
Local time: 12:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 6

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agree  Atelier de Mots: D'accord!
13 hrs
  -> thanks, and thanks for the info on Switzerland. It does sound too expensive!
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1 day7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
where spurs of mountain jut/cut into the sea, forming (deeply) scalloped coves


Explanation:
or, to be a little more fanciful - after all, this is tourism -

"where arms of jagged mountain jut/cut into the sea, embracing scalloped coves/inlets"

I'm using a different interpretation here to the other posters for "dentelle", which I envisage as those scalloped edges on old-fashioned tablecloths, rather than an overall lacy effect, which I find harder to visualize. This "edging" seems more appropriate in the context of a coastline... Also, I see "découper" here as "to outline" rather than necessarily carving. Although "jut into" is pretty akin to "cut into"...

A few examples of "scalloped coves" - of which there are plenty:

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Beyond is a deeply scalloped cove, Bloody. Bay, rimmed by a beautiful beach. Negril's upscale all-inclusive resorts are located here ...
www.lonelyplanet.com/shop_pickandmix/previews/jamaica-5-neg... - Similar pages
CAPE TOWN'S BEST BEACHES: Cape Town's Top Beaches namely Clifton ...Clifton's scalloped cove is strewn with giant granite boulders dividing it into four separate beaches. Steep cliffs dotted with expensive beach bungalows ...
south-africa-travel.suite101.com/article.cfm/cape_towns_best_beaches - 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Jamaica - Google Books Resultby Christopher P. Baker - 2003 - Travel - 352 pages
Beyond is a deeply scalloped cove. Bloody Bay. rimmed by a beautiful beach. Negril's upscale all-inclusive resorts are all located here or on the north end ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1740591615...
Experience Dominican RepublicFor beachgoers, one of the island's most picturesque strands of sand is Cofresí Beach, a small scalloped cove where the sun rises through a swath of palm ...
www.discoverdominicanrepublic.com/sightseeing_ac.html?city_... - 28k - Cached - Similar pages
unknownsa feature areas - the innes national park pictures page 1 of 2... deeply-scalloped cove surrounded by a thick arc of white sand and one of the state's premiere surfing areas. those of us who can remember the old road ...
users.chariot.net.au/~greenh/innes/default.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
Estemerwalt Lumber Products - Round Log Siding - Our ProductsThe scalloped cove with the shiplap edge and the resulting effect of lighted space and shadow provide depth and texture to your home. ...
www.roundlogsiding.com/products.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
Classic Corvette 30 Years - Google Books Resultby Mike Mueller - 2003 - Transportation - 384 pages
... on the hood and scalloped "cove" panels ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0760318069...
Mother of All Lawn Ornaments | Seven DaysShe is often cloaked in blue, and is sometimes situated in a grotto -- that is, a half-buried bathtub covered with stones, or a scalloped cove reminiscent ...
www.7dvt.com/2006/mother-all-lawn-ornaments - 24k - Cached - Similar pages
The C-1 Corvette in MiniatureThe 1962 model eliminated the chrome outline around the scalloped cove on the body and replaced the 3 fins in the reverse fender scoops with a grid . ...
www.breithaupts.com/totc248.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
Reel-Time's Fly Fishing Reports for the Boston Metropolitan RegionThe best fishing was on the outside beach, where little bass were visible around the points at the edge of every scalloped cove. ...


Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:10
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 50
Grading comment
Until today, I had a put together a mixture of all the answers, resulting in "where the sea carves an intricate coastline of creeks into the mountains", which I liked for the 3 'c's. However, your answer is probably the closest to the original and I really like "scalloped" which translates "dentelle" really well. So I've decided to give you the points.
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Reference comments


1 hr peer agreement (net): +5
Reference: dentelle

Reference information:
b) Au fig., lang. culturelle et poét.
Tout ce qui rappelle la dentelle par sa finesse, sa délicatesse. Dentelle des toits, de l'ombre, de l'écume, de la toile d'araignée; des gestes de dentelle. Les mélèzes agitaient leurs dentelles (BALZAC, Séraphita, 1835, p. 309). Ces dentelles du son que le fifre découpe (HUGO, Rayons et ombres, 1840, p. 1099) :
TLF

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concentrating on the term "crique de dentelle", it seems to me that it is nothing to do with a geological term because of the presence of 'crique' (it would constitute a pleonasm, which isn't impossible mind); it is not jagged because coves are concave, the coastaline could be jagged but not the 'crique'; 'lacework' refers to the art or the web-like appearance of the lace so 'a lacework of coves' is no good; in conclusion I would suggest that 'dentelle' is being used here as a synonym for 'beautiful' and nothing more... I hope this is not too boring an answer :)

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A dose of alliteration never does any harm, so here's my stab:

With a cornucopia of breath-taking coves and intimate beaches of golden sand, every mooring becomes an unforgettable moment of magic.

B****cks to the lace!

Graham macLachlan
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 170
Note to reference poster
Asker: Boring - never! :-)


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  MatthewLaSon: Nice reference, Graham!
1 hr
  -> cheers Matthew
agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: And if this is Brittany, then the "dentelle" reference is probably no accident either !/// And on reading further, this is Corsica. The cidre was laced with something decidedly Napoleonic, ma foi!
1 hr
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agree  fourth: Dear macL. thank you for "pleonasm". This is a gift to the uneducated. Me. I remember well "Cornucopia...magic" when I earned my living from it in Mexico . I swore, never again, no more.Good to see you agree Graham?
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agree  Anne-Marie Grant: Disregards the original quite brilliantly.
8 hrs
  -> thanks, you know how to make friends :)
agree  Hazel O'Reilly
2 days23 hrs
  -> thanks Hazel
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