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piste cyclable goudronnée

English translation: tarred bicycle path

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15:04 Jun 28, 2011

French to English translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel / Guide de randonnée vélo

French term or phrase: piste cyclable goudronnée

En anglais américain.

Merci d'avance !

RedacOnline KudoZ activity Questions: 26 (none open) Answers: 0
Local time: 02:43

English translation:tarred bicycle path

Explanation:
In France this is a trail for bicycles, except that it is tarred.

Selected response from:

Frédéric Guéreau
France
Local time: 02:43

Grading comment

thanks a lot to all of you for your input!!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +6

paved bike path

Jocelyne S

4 +4

blacktop bike trail

xxxBourth

3 +3

asphalt bike path

Mark Nathan

4 +1

tarmac cycle path

kashew

tarred bike path

Ellen Kraus

tar bicycle path

SyGendron

surfaced bike path

Tim Cleary

tarmac cycle paths

Miranda Joubioux

tarred bicycle path

Frédéric Guéreau

Summary of reference entries provided
	liz askew

Discussion entries: 12

liz askew

United Kingdom

13:34 Jul 7, 2011

I am stunned.

B D Finch

France

Wrong answer selected

13:16 Jul 7, 2011

I totally agree with Jocelyne. Also note that this was an answer supplied by a non-English mother tongue Answerer and chosen by an non-English mother tongue Asker. Another contribution to the argument for only translating into one's mother tongue.

Jocelyne S

France

Wrong answer selected

12:40 Jul 7, 2011

Wow, after all the debate over this question, an entirely incorrect answer that garnered no Agrees has been chosen. FWIW, a "tarred bike/bicycle path" is not English on either side of the Atlantic (unless, as Helen mentioned, feathers are somehow involved). It is generally a good idea to select the answer based on the suggestions and comments made by native speakers.

B D Finch

France

bikes and cycles

11:00 Jun 29, 2011

As motorbikes are commonly known as "bikes", would it be better to use the word "cycle"?

xxxBourth

"gives itineraries, type of roads & road surfaces"

09:54 Jun 29, 2011

Now we are getting somewhere! But is there any mention of pistes cyclables other than the goudronné type?

RedacOnline

ASKER

07:42 Jun 29, 2011

To be more specific, this is a "topoguide" (guide for hiking, cycling) in northern France through villages but it is aimed at American tourists. It gives itineraries, type of roads and road surfaces.

liz askew

United Kingdom

16:30 Jun 28, 2011

BTW, here I am giving my opinions, and "agrees", but really and truly we could do with some bona fide US citizens on this one, particularly those with bikes!! :)

kashew

France

Just to give options:

15:58 Jun 28, 2011

Bike Lanes & Cycle Ways...

Jocelyne S

France

Trail or path

15:32 Jun 28, 2011

To me, a track would be a place for athletes to train. For "piste", you should use trail or path.

RedacOnline

ASKER

15:24 Jun 28, 2011

trail or track?

Jocelyne S

France

Looks good

15:17 Jun 28, 2011

Yes, I think your interpretation is fine.

RedacOnline

ASKER

15:15 Jun 28, 2011

I also have bande cyclable as opposed to piste cyclable. I would suggest bike lane for bande cyclable and paved bike trail/path for piste cyclable goudronnée. What do you think?

Answers

1 min confidence:

peer agreement (net): +6

paved bike path

Explanation:
That's it

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or bike/bicycle trail

Jocelyne S
France
Local time: 02:43
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Barbara Carrara

2 mins

-> Thank you.

agree

jmleger: Absolument, aux States en tout cas

2 mins

-> In Canada too!

agree

1045: On ne dit pas 'goudronnée' en Amérique du Nord. Nos pistes cyclables sont asphaltées ... et non pas seulement recouvertes de goudon.

9 mins

-> Je ne suis pas certaine de bien comprendre votre commentaire... Mais merci ! // Merci - je n'étais pas certaine si votre commentaire portait sur le FR ou l'EN; je comprends mieux maintenant.

disagree

xxxBourth: "paved" could B brick, concrete, etc. Assuming this bike trail is in Europe, it's irrelevant whether they say goudronnée in NA or not!/If they meant "paved", they might have sed "en dur" etc. Goudronné is a subset of "paved", & of "blacktop"

26 mins

-> The asker has asked for US EN and this is definitely how we say it in NA (where there aren't many paving stones, btw, and where a GB "pavement" is called a sidewalk).//Here, your average N.American probably just wants to know that it's not a dirt track.

neutral

kashew: bike is short for motorbike too - in GB at least!

31 mins

-> But the asker has specified US EN. I suppose "bicycle" would avoid the issue (and would be better than "cycle" for a NA audience).

disagree

liz askew: I am with Bourth, despite not being an American citizen.

43 mins

-> I don't know what else to say: the term is used differently in North America.

agree

cc in nyc: "paved bike path" – BTW I'm a Yank. I might use something else if the domain were "construction," but that's not the case here. ;-) // Not the first time, not the last time either I'm sure... maybe more of them than us on this forum // I also ride a bike

50 mins

-> Thank you! I'm not sure why no one seems to care that the asker asked for American English.

agree

gallagy2: "paved", as Bourth says can be different materials, but the main thing is that this is a "constructed" path rather than a dirt track so I think this is OK (used in Canada), and doesn't warrant disagree!

1 hr

-> Thanks. I agree that for a tourist document, the important thing is most likely, as you say, that it's not a dirt path.

agree

Carolyn Yohn: Yes!

3 hrs

-> Thanks Carolyn.

agree

writeaway: I find the disagrees totally incomprehensible and OTT (to put in in UKese)

4 hrs

-> Thanks writeaway. Indeed, quite frustrating.

agree

Yolanda Broad: We have bike paths all over the US...

5 days

-> Thanks Yolanda.

6 mins confidence:

tarred bicycle path

Explanation:
In France this is a trail for bicycles, except that it is tarred.

Reference: http://www.stockphotos.ro/ffentlicht.html

Frédéric Guéreau
France
Local time: 02:43
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

thanks a lot to all of you for your input!!

17 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

asphalt bike path

Explanation:
to me "paved" implies paving stones, whereas "goudronnée" is some kind of poured surface that has gone hard.

Mark Nathan
Local time: 02:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 28

25 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

tarmac cycle path

Explanation:
*

Example sentence(s):

Coloured tarmac for cycle paths. To meet the growing need for clearly-defined cycle routes throughout our busy towns and cities, we have a wide range of ...

kashew
France
Local time: 02:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

30 mins confidence:

tarmac cycle paths

Explanation:
In UK English I'd put
tarmac cycle paths
http://www.nationaltrail.co.uk/hadrianswall/text.asp?PageId=...
http://www.sharemyroutes.com/routes/United-Kingdom/oakham-Le...

but it looks like the US version is 'paved cyle paths'

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Note added at 34 mins (2011-06-28 15:39:11 GMT)
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Note this reference to 'paved bike paths'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paved_Florida_bike_trai...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Tobacco_Trail

Miranda Joubioux
Local time: 02:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 18

39 mins confidence:

tar bicycle path

Explanation:
piste cyclable = bicycle path ou cycle path/tar pour goudronnée

SyGendron

1 hr confidence:

tarred bike path

Explanation:
Conveniently located only 3 mls from town & near the tarred walking/bike path around Lake Koronis. Build your home plus have room for an extra outbuilding. ...
www.landbin.com/land/mn/city/paynesville/all/all/11-20

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18 Jun 2011 – A bike trail is a beautiful thing. Your mountain bike screams down the mountain. Your road bicycle zips down the tarred bike path. ...
www.manta.com/c/mrs93cl/us-bike-trails -www.cycle-route.com › Scotland › Dumfries and Galloway - Im CacheBike the Wakefield Bike Path - Central Mass Casual Cycling ... - 9 May 2011 – The Wakefield Bike Path is a very scenic bike ride. You will actually ride thru 2 Swamps, from the comfort of a tarred bike path. ...
www.meetup.com/Central-Mass...Bicycling.../

Ellen Kraus
Local time: 02:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 3

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

blacktop bike trail

Explanation:
If we take goudron literally, then it is tar. But tar is hardly used these days, and even when a product referred to as goudron is used, it is in fact goudron routier, 'mélange reconstitué de brai et de diverses fractions d'huile de goudron de houille, dont les proportions sont adaptées aux utilisations projetées' or goudron-bitume, 'mélange de goudron et de bitume, avec un pourcentage de goudron supérieur à la moitié du poids global. However your homme in the rue or your journaliste lambda is perfectly oblivious to these fine points, and goudron for them is simply "that black stuff they put on the top of roads".

Which is where "blacktop", a lovely generic term for bituminous/asphaltic etc. road surfacings, as opposed to concrete or whatever, comes in.

Whether this is a path, a track, or a trail may well depend on where it is precisely, i.e. the nature of the terrain, the density of population nearby, the number of grizzlies hiding behind trees (none in France), and so on.

After going a mile or so north on the BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL, you'll see a new blacktop bike trail going off to your left (west). ...
cyclova-xc.blogspot.com/search/label/Mountain%20Bike%20Trail

Yeah in Dodgeville WI on Hwy 151 from Dodgeville to Mineral Point is a brand new BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL then from Mineral Point to Monroe WI it ...
www.layover.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19158

Miles of BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL around Lake Koronis. Hiking trails, swim area, boat landing, 2 modern playgrounds, volleyball, horse shoes, shuffle board, ...
www.exploreminnesota.com › Places to Stay

From the top end there appears to be a BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL on the western flank of Rancho SM. Below that is a dirt trail that runs along the ...
www.bikeforums.net › ... › Regional Discussions › Southern California
After going a mile or so north on the BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL, you'll see a new blacktop bike trail going off to your left (west). ...
cyclova-xc.blogspot.com/search/label/Mountain%20Bike%20Trail

Yeah in Dodgeville WI on Hwy 151 from Dodgeville to Mineral Point is a brand new BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL then from Mineral Point to Monroe WI it ...
www.layover.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19158

Miles of BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL around Lake Koronis. Hiking trails, swim area, boat landing, 2 modern playgrounds, volleyball, horse shoes, shuffle board, ...
www.exploreminnesota.com › Places to Stay

From the top end there appears to be a BLACKTOP BIKE TRAIL on the western flank of Rancho SM. Below that is a dirt trail that runs along the ...
www.bikeforums.net › ... › Regional Discussions › Southern California

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For those who don't like my Disagree with another answer, it's not an issue of US vs GB English, it's an issue of technicality.
Maybe a kilometre along this path/trail/track the goudron stops and there is concrete, or yellow bricks ... Since all of these would constitute a "paved" cycle route, there may be a need to be specific.
In an urban setting, too, it may be important to distinguish cycleway from motor traffic way, and one means of doing this is to used a different surfacing material, or a different colour.

It would help if Asker gave fuller context. As is so often the case, people underestimate the complexities of the questions they ask or that are asked.

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Note added at 15 hrs (2011-06-29 06:12:45 GMT)
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I agree with Jocelyne that "paved bike path" is "how we say it in NA", or at least one way of saying "it", depending on what you mean by "it" of course!

Here are some comparative statistics. They show that of the "bike trail"/piste cyclable options I searched (I could have used something other than "bike trail", possibly with different results, but there you have it ...), "paved bike path" and piste cyclable goudronnée are the predominant terms in the respective countries, and as such are a "cultural equivalent". But if you translate goudronné as "paved", what do you do if your instructions say "take the paved bike path from the northern end of the lake" and when you get there you find an asphalt path leading in one direction, a concrete one in the other?

These pistes cyclables are all "paved":

"piste cyclable goudronnée" – 3650 ghits (2420 if you omit those with "Sylvie Joly" in them).
"piste cyclable en béton" – 550 ghits
" piste cyclable en enrobé" – 260 ghits
"piste cyclable en dur" – 86 ghits
" piste cyclable en bitume" – 71 ghits
"piste cyclable bétonnée" – 70 ghits
" piste cyclable en enrobés" – 55 ghits
"piste cyclable en pavés" – 28 ghits
"piste cyclable en goudron" – 8 ghits

These are not (though soil stabilization (cement) is debatable).

"piste cyclable en gravillons" – 1 ghit
"piste cyclable en terre" – 120 ghits
"piste cyclable en sable" (sable, sable-ciment, sable stabilisé) – 42 ghits
"piste cyclable en cailloux" – 1 ghit

Looking at some English terms with "Region: US" switched on, you get this: .

"paved bike trail" – 393,000 ghits ("paved bike path" 413,000 ghits)
"asphalt bike trail" – 12,400 ghits
"concrete bike trail" – 7,120 ghits
"bituminous bike trail"- 1000 ghits
"hard surfaced bike trail" – 114 ghits
"brick bike trail" – 6 ghits
"bitumen bike trail" – 3 ghits
"bituminous concrete bike trail" – 4 ghits
"asphaltic concrete bike trail" – 2 ghits
"asphalt concrete bike trail" – 275 ghits (some of these are "asphalt/concrete" = "paved")
"dirt bike trail" – 86,700 ghits (hard to distinguish "dirt bike-trail" from"dirt-bike trail")

xxxBourth
Local time: 02:43
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 67

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Sheila Wilson: that's certainly the wording I keep coming across in the American books I read

3 mins

agree

liz askew: I saw this too, i.e. "blacktop", but didn't follow through on the US evidence./Indeed, it is an issue of technicality.

21 mins

neutral

Jocelyne S: This may be technically right, but I'm not sure it would fly in a NA tourist context. FWIW, it gets 434 Ghits (versus 41 000 for "paved bicycle path" and 475 000 for "paved bike path").//Am sure a N-A would know to take the asphalt not the concrete above.

24 mins

neutral

piazza d: just to know the answer

28 mins

agree

Helen Shiner: Impressive evidence given - looks like it is what cycling fanatics would call it.//Paved just sounds uncomfortable, but I cannot comment not being a US native.

1 hr

neutral

writeaway: why diss the right answer. For some reason they want a French translator to come up with USA English (guess there's a shortage of native USA Fr-En translators). the answer Jocelyne gave is correct. I don't understand the total disagree

3 hrs

-> Because for me it is not THE right answer, though it is potentially A right answer. We need the term in its full context.

agree

Yolanda Broad: "Trail" works if it's one of those old railroad tracks out in the country.

5 days

11 days confidence:

surfaced bike path

Explanation:
We may want to be less specific about the 'tar' on the road (It seems irrelevant what the surface is, as long as its cyclable.) If it is essential to include the idea, you may want say 'Tarmac bike path'. It seems that in US English, 'bike path' is used, whereas in British English 'cycle path' would be more common.

Example sentence(s):

The charity campaigned for a surfaced bike path to be implemented through the forest area.

Tim Cleary
Local time: 01:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

Reference comments

45 mins peer agreement (net): +1

Reference

Reference information:
Bike paths in Manassas, Virginia, United States at Bikely.com
asphalt up to Montclair then concrete until you get to Minnieville Rd then nice asphalt to Spriggs Rd. also nice asphalt bike path to Hoadly. ...
www.bikely.com › United States › Virginia - Cached - Similar

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goudron traduction goudron définition goudron dictionnaire - [ Translate this page ]
Définition de goudron dans le dictionnaire français en ligne. Sens du mot. ... Revêtement de chaussée: Recouvrir une route de goudron (asphalte, bitume). ...
fr.thefreedictionary.com/goudron - Cached - Similar
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La piste goudronnée - French - English Translation and Examples
You searched for: la piste goudronnée [ Turn off colors ] .... Asphalte contenant du goudron, du bitume. asphalt containing tar. Last Update: 2009-01-01 ...
mymemory.translated.net/t/French/.../la%20piste%20goudronnée - Cached
tarmac - English-French Dictionary WordReference.com
noun modifier [road, footpath] goudronné. transitive verb (p prés etc -ck-) goudronner. ... asphalt, tarmac, (Construction) asphalte, goudron, bitume nm ...
www.wordreference.com/enfr/tarmac - Cached
Asphalte (matériau) - Wikipédia - [ Translate this page ]
Application de l'asphalte en réfection du revêtement de l'avenue, .... il est un composant de l'asphalte et de l'enrobé,; le goudron de houille : d'origine ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalte_(matériau) - Cached - Similar

liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English

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