arme de salon

English translation: weapons for sporting and/or decorative uses

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French term or phrase:arme de salon
English translation:weapons for sporting and/or decorative uses
Entered by: Francis Marche

10:01 May 3, 2006
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Transport / Transportation / Shipping
French term or phrase: arme de salon
In a list of articles that can be carried on an aircraft. Bit of a mystery to me - can it mean guns used for competitions/on ranges?

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Chris Collins (X)
Local time: 02:08
weapons for sporting and/or decorative uses
Explanation:
"arme de salon" refers to a broad category un unregulated weapons in France (from non-lethal alarm pistol to a XVIIe Century mousqueton traded as curio)

Je me demande s'il ne faudrait pas spécifier "firearms" au lieu de "weapons" car il s'agit de cartouches.
Selected response from:

Francis Marche
France
Local time: 03:08
Grading comment
"Decorative firearm" seems OK - except that you wouldn't normally have cartridges for a gun hanging on the wall! Many thaks.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3weapons for sporting purposes
Sandra Petch
5 -1fencing foil
Graham macLachlan
3trade show gun
sarahl (X)
3weapons for sporting and/or decorative uses
Francis Marche
2arms for firing ranges?
Finn Mayhall
2small revolver ?
cocotier
2more info which may help
LJC (X)
2blank firer
Sandra Petch


  

Answers


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arms for firing ranges?


Explanation:
It might refer to arms for indoor firing ranges

Finn Mayhall
Local time: 03:08
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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small revolver ?


Explanation:
Petites armes à feu que l'on peut dissimuler dans un sac à main

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Trouvé aussi le fleuret comme arme de salon mais ne semble pas convenir dans ce contexte

cocotier
Local time: 03:08
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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trade show gun


Explanation:
imo

sarahl (X)
Local time: 18:08
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Sandra Petch: what exactly would that be?
1 hr
  -> the kind you can see at a trade show. :-)
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
more info which may help


Explanation:
I don't know anything about guns but maybe the following infomation will help someone who does know to find the answer.

On the following website, under '1) les catégories'

"7ème : les armes de salon ou de starter. Il faut aussi déclarer les armes de sport que l’on achète. Les pistolets, même les armes de starters, sont interdits au port. Un certain nombre d’armes de paint-ball, les armes à air comprimé ou à gaz dont l’énergie est comprise entre 2 et 10 joules."

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Here's another site commenting on the French laws.
http://securite-sanitaire.org/armesafeu/commentaires.htm

"Les armes de tir sportif. Elles sont réglementées comme suit dans le décret de 1995 :

7e catégorie. Armes de tir, de foire ou de salon et leurs munitions.

I. - Armes dont l'acquisition et la détention sont soumises à déclaration.

Paragraphe 1. - Armes à feu de tous calibres à percussion annulaire, autres que celles classées dans la 4e catégorie ci-dessus.

Éléments d'arme (mécanismes de fermeture, chambres, canons) des armes ci-dessus.

Paragraphe 2. - Armes dont le projectile est propulsé par des gaz ou de l'air comprimé développant une énergie à la bouche supérieure à dix joules autres que celles classées en 4e catégorie.

Paragraphe 3. - Armes à feu fabriquées pour tirer une balle ou plusieurs projectiles non métalliques et classées dans cette catégorie par arrêté du ministre de la défense.

II. - Armes dont l'acquisition et la détention ne sont pas soumises à déclaration.

Paragraphe 1. - Armes d'alarme et de starter;

Armes de signalisation dont les caractéristiques sont fixées par l'arrêté prévu au paragraphe 3 du II de la 4e catégorie.

Paragraphe 2. - Armes dont le projectile est propulsé par des gaz ou de l'air comprimé lorsqu'elles développent à la bouche une énergie inférieure à dix joules et supérieure à deux joules, et qui n'ont pas été classées au paragraphe 1 du II de la 4e catégorie.

Paragraphe 3. - Armes ou objets ayant l'apparence d'une arme, non classés dans les autres catégories du présent article, tirant un projectile ou projetant des gaz, lorsqu'ils développent à la bouche une énergie supérieure à deux joules.

Là encore la difficulté de compréhension du texte est lié à des définitions utilisant des critères d’exclusion du type « autres que celles classées en 4e catégorie » qui impliquent la connaissance précise d’autres parties du décret."

Still haven't got a clue what they are, though! Sorry.


    Reference: http://regis.berardet.free.fr/armesafeu.htm
LJC (X)
France
Local time: 03:08
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
blank firer


Explanation:
Lesley's research inspired me as it brought up "starting pistols"...

Sandra Petch
Local time: 03:08
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
weapons for sporting purposes


Explanation:
From www.iata.org
Ammunition (cartridges for weapons) for sporting purposes, securely boxed (in Division 1.4S), in quantities less than 5 kg (11 lb) gross weight per person for that person's own use, excluding ammunition with explosive or incendiary projectiles. Allowances for more than one passenger must not be combined into one or more packages.

Sandra Petch
Local time: 03:08
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Bailatjones: only other thing I found was 'salon pistol' which seems to be a historical title, so unless that would fit your context (don't think it would) this seems to be the best answer
15 hrs

agree  kbec
19 hrs

agree  Graham macLachlan
21 hrs
  -> Thanks for your support!
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
fencing foil


Explanation:
I found this little phrase on the web:

"Si le fleuret est une arme de salon,"
http://jfgajewski.free.fr/tcms_04.htm

the OED gives the following definition of fleuret as:
A fencing-foil.

no guns!

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I may have been a bit quick...

7e: dite "arme de salon et de foire", armes à feu longues de faible puissance à percussion annulaire de moins de 10 coups (.22LR, 6mm bosquette, etc), armes à air comprimé, air soft guns lorsque l'énergie du projectile dépasse 2 joules.....
http://checksix-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107725&pa...


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I think I'd go with Sandra's answer

Graham macLachlan
Local time: 03:08
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 317

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Francis Marche: sorry: no "cartouches" for a fencing foil. And the first reference does not define but QUALIFIES the fleuret. "fait rentrer l'escrime dans les salons" does not RATE the fleuret as an AdS. So yes. It IS a gun here. AdS=government-regulated cat. of weapon
15 hrs
  -> Yes I was too quick, you too, as you should have noticed that I decided to support Sandra's answer which you seem to have reiterated :)
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1 day 1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
weapons for sporting and/or decorative uses


Explanation:
"arme de salon" refers to a broad category un unregulated weapons in France (from non-lethal alarm pistol to a XVIIe Century mousqueton traded as curio)

Je me demande s'il ne faudrait pas spécifier "firearms" au lieu de "weapons" car il s'agit de cartouches.

Francis Marche
France
Local time: 03:08
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
"Decorative firearm" seems OK - except that you wouldn't normally have cartridges for a gun hanging on the wall! Many thaks.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Graham macLachlan: Sandra has already given this answer// Kudoz is a bit of fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously
1 hr
  -> You're right: I hadn't notice Sandra brought up "decorative use" in her answer, and also didn't notice she answered twice; not quite in the rules or is it?

neutral  Sandra Petch: KudoZ discourages us from answering twice but it is permitted and in this case I wanted to distinguish my second answer which, as you clearly agree, is correct.
2 hrs
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