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English translation: Chrysomela (banksi ou Marrubium)

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French term or phrase:	Chrysomèle du Marrube
English translation:	Chrysomela (banksi ou Marrubium)
Entered by:	Drmanu49

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15:58 Jan 2, 2010

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French term or phrase: Chrysomèle du Marrube

Hello,
To continue previous question, am also having problems translating this one.
Extract:
D'autres Chrysomèles (américaine, sanguinolente, du Marrube) sont également présentes dans nos Garrigue
thanks to all,
Anne

Anne Greaves KudoZ activity Questions: 288 (3 open) (7 without valid answers) (32 closed without grading) Answers: 18 United Kingdom
Local time: 20:14

Chrysomela (banksi ou Marrubium)

Explanation:
Chrysomèle du Marrube Chrysomela banksi. GB. PB. Chrysomela staphylea. PB. Cicindela (eugrapha) trisignita. PB ZL. Cicindela campestris ...
www.pole-lagunes.org/ftp/web/.../PGE BAGNAS annexes.pdf

26 Apr 2009 ... Subfamily: Galerucinae ( ). Genus: Chrysomela ( ). Specific name: banksi. Scientific name: - Chrysomela banksi ...
zipcodezoo.com/Animals/C/Chrysomela_banksi/

In it, the liljebagge is presented under the name Chrysomela merdigera, .... article also mentions the ancient medicinal plant horehound, Marrubium vulgare, ...
www.landell.se/howdidhegettheidea.jsp -

Chrysomela sp. Phyllobius sp. Leptinotarsa sp. Melighetes sp. Crioceris sp…. PPAMC * traitement des .... Marrubium vulgare. Matricaire. Matricaria recutida ...
agriculture.gouv.fr/IMG/.../catalogue_usages_ppamc_v1.pdf

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Note added at 15 mins (2010-01-02 16:13:59 GMT)
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Marrube 1903-1923? (5, 69, 156) obsolete by 1923: Marrubium vulgare L. .... Marsh-beetle [Marsh beetle] 1900-1929 (5, 92, 156, 157, 158): Typha latifolia L. ...
www.unl.edu/agnicpls/gpcn/gpcnm.html

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Drmanu49
Local time: 21:14

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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +1

leaf beetle feeding on horehound

John Speese

3 +1

Chrysomela (banksi ou Marrubium)

Drmanu49

Marsh Beetle

Dr Lofthouse

Discussion entries: 1

Answers

8 mins confidence:

Marsh Beetle

Explanation:
or could (in this context) be used to indicate its habitat is marshlands??

Dr Lofthouse
United Kingdom
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Italian

10 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Chrysomela (banksi ou Marrubium)

Drmanu49
Local time: 21:14
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in category: 24

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

leaf beetle feeding on horehound

Explanation:
This is a tough one, and according to google and my colleagues there are several possibilities, Chrysolina (Chrysomela) banksi being most likely, but couldn't get a 100% hit. You may have to get around this one and "recast" the whole sentence to read "Other leaf beetles of the genus Chrysolina (americana, sanguinolenta, banksi, etc.) are also present/native to our Garrigues. When Linnaeus designed this system, he had the best intentions, but with insects in particular, genera, species, even whole families and orders have since been reclassified many times, but the French names derived from them don't change. Some of these critters are still in the genus Chrysomela, others (like the ones in your text) have since been reclassified in the genus Chrysolina, and not all of them may have accepted English language common names, esp. ones that may not be found in countries where English is spoken.

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-01-02 17:27:14 GMT)
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I once heard that when He created the world, God must have had a special love for insects and of the insects, the beetles in particular. There are more different kinds (species) of insects than all other kinds of living things, plants and animals, put together, and more different kinds of beetles than other insects. The Chrysomelidae (leaf beetles) are a huge family, a favorite topic for taxonomists who love to literally "split hairs" on insects, hence the mess of different names and reclassifications, and why you often see Chrysolina (Chrysomela) banksi, or whatever, indicating that both names are still used in the literature. This family contains numerous species that are well-known agricultural pests, and even they have been reclassified!

John Speese
United States
Local time: 15:14
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank for your help and an insight into the world of insect classification! Anne

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

philgoddard: I don't disagree with your comments, but "leaf beetle feeding on horehound" isn't a translation of the French. And I think your reference to horehound makes the same mistake as Drmanu - it's the common name of the plant Marrubium.

8 mins

-> No, it's not, and my point is that there may not BE an Eng. common name. I assume that the Fr. common name "du Marrube" comes from the fact that these beetles feed on Marrubium (horehound). "Mint beetle" (also a Chrysolina) gets a lot of hits.

agree

Rachel Fell: or "..that feeds on horehound" - perhaps could be this one - http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=17424843 \\Quite, and I suppose it could be "other spp. that feed on..." etc.

20 hrs

-> I saw this too, Rachel, so it could be. It appears there are several spp. of Chrysolina that feed on horehound.

neutral

Wordeffect: Good explanation, John. "Other leaf beetles" is a safe bet.

23 hrs

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